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Globalism and PC culture aside, aren't "cultural" biases bad? Aren't we are supposed to stand united and be against dogmatic principles, prejudices and intoler

Globalism and PC culture aside, aren't "cultural" biases bad? Aren't we are supposed to stand united and be against dogmatic principles, prejudices and intolerance? I should be able to wear a green hat or/and a skirt outside if I want to, without being shamed or threatened. As well as I should be able to incorporate that hat and a skirt in any of my designs or mockups if those please my senses and fit my vision, right?

seba_dos1 8y ago
Of course. But it's also your right to change anything you want for whatever reason you want. Microsoft decided that they don't care about the color and prefer to not have some of their users thinking about their cultural biases when seeing the image. They're free to do so.
- rinchik 8y ago
  It spells weakness. Weakness disguised as a tolerance of intolerance. "prefer to not have some of their users thinking about their cultural biases" -- extremely negative approach. I don't think you guessed it right. That's the same as saying "we are supporting you cultural biases, don't worry about improving. ever."
  - seba_dos1 8y ago
    How about changing the color of the main character in the game Chuchel[0] to avoid misinterpretations suggesting any blackface connotations? For European developers it was a surprise that some Americans were getting such associations - after all, it's just a black ball of dirt. After swapping the color palette, it pretty much received the same, if not worse, "anti-SJW" reactions like those we can see here. Was this also an "extremely negative approach", or is this one exempted due to being a western culture bias? :P [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuchel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuchel
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Globalism and PC culture aside, aren't "cultural" biases bad? No, not inherently. Cultural “biases” about the meaning of symbols particularly, unless you think language itself is bad. > Aren't we are supposed to stand united and be against dogmatic principles, prejudices and intolerance? The meaning of symbols in a particular culture may be influenced by any of those things, but it is not intrinsically any one of them, so those are at best tangentially relevant, and more likely irrelevant, to the issue at hand. Also, those are tenets of PC culture, not “PC culture aside”. > As well as I should be able to incorporate that hat and a skirt in any of my designs or mockups if those please my senses and fit my vision, right? You can, just as you can include a figure with and extended middle finger. OTOH, product designs are a form of communication, and communication done without awareness of what symbols mean to the audience tends to be less effective or even counterproductive.
- rinchik 8y ago
  Middle finger is universal. I feels like you are saying oranges and I'm talking about apples. What about me seeing a (what I perceive as) bag of oats on some drawn porch in one of the Huawei adds? Should I scream of indecency and insensitivity, suggesting that Huawei promotes something offensive, and start trolling their support channels?

seba_dos1 8y ago

Of course. But it's also your right to change anything you want for whatever reason you want. Microsoft decided that they don't care about the color and prefer to not have some of their users thinking about their cultural biases when seeing the image. They're free to do so.

rinchik 8y ago
It spells weakness. Weakness disguised as a tolerance of intolerance. "prefer to not have some of their users thinking about their cultural biases" -- extremely negative approach. I don't think you guessed it right. That's the same as saying "we are supporting you cultural biases, don't worry about improving. ever."
- seba_dos1 8y ago
  How about changing the color of the main character in the game Chuchel[0] to avoid misinterpretations suggesting any blackface connotations? For European developers it was a surprise that some Americans were getting such associations - after all, it's just a black ball of dirt. After swapping the color palette, it pretty much received the same, if not worse, "anti-SJW" reactions like those we can see here. Was this also an "extremely negative approach", or is this one exempted due to being a western culture bias? :P [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuchel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuchel

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Globalism and PC culture aside, aren't "cultural" biases bad? No, not inherently. Cultural “biases” about the meaning of symbols particularly, unless you think language itself is bad. > Aren't we are supposed to stand united and be against dogmatic principles, prejudices and intolerance? The meaning of symbols in a particular culture may be influenced by any of those things, but it is not intrinsically any one of them, so those are at best tangentially relevant, and more likely irrelevant, to the issue at hand. Also, those are tenets of PC culture, not “PC culture aside”. > As well as I should be able to incorporate that hat and a skirt in any of my designs or mockups if those please my senses and fit my vision, right? You can, just as you can include a figure with and extended middle finger. OTOH, product designs are a form of communication, and communication done without awareness of what symbols mean to the audience tends to be less effective or even counterproductive.

rinchik 8y ago
Middle finger is universal. I feels like you are saying oranges and I'm talking about apples. What about me seeing a (what I perceive as) bag of oats on some drawn porch in one of the Huawei adds? Should I scream of indecency and insensitivity, suggesting that Huawei promotes something offensive, and start trolling their support channels?