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There are about 350 of these planes flying, and they've been in general use for about two years. That implies 1/350 odds of a fatal crash per plane per year. I

There are about 350 of these planes flying, and they've been in general use for about two years. That implies 1/350 odds of a fatal crash per plane per year. I can't find similar statistics for motorcycles, but that's still wildly unacceptable. And even if it weren't, you're arguing that problems can only be addressed one at a time in strict order of severity, in a nation of 326 million people. That's ridiculous.

magduf 8y ago
What's more, this isn't an issue just for a nation of 326M people, this is global. There are other issues which IMO are worse: how many people in America are killed by guns because we refuse to do anything about those legislatively? How many are killed by auto crashes because we refuse to build better trains and public transit? However, other countries (like those in the EU) see this plane as problematic, and are grounding it. That's something that they can do. EU nations don't have any control over America refusing to fix its problems with guns and cars and public transit, but they do have the power to ground unsafe planes in their airspace, so that's what they're doing. As for the US, the US isn't doing anything about this plane at all; that's why we're arguing about it here, combined with the fact that other nations are doing something about it.
whack 8y ago
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcycle-crashes https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcyc... The fatality rates are 25 per 100 million occupant-miles traveled. That's far higher than for the Boeing 737 max. Let's also compare their safety by time, instead of miles traveled. Motorcycles: 25 / (100 x 10^6 / 60) = 0.000015 fatal crashes per hour Boeing 737 max, assuming it averages 12 hour flight time per day, and using your 1/350 odds: 1/(350 x 365 x 12) = 0.00000065 fatal crashes per hour The 737 max is still safer by an entire order of magnitude, even if you compared it by time spent traveling and not miles.

magduf 8y ago

What's more, this isn't an issue just for a nation of 326M people, this is global. There are other issues which IMO are worse: how many people in America are killed by guns because we refuse to do anything about those legislatively? How many are killed by auto crashes because we refuse to build better trains and public transit? However, other countries (like those in the EU) see this plane as problematic, and are grounding it. That's something that they can do. EU nations don't have any control over America refusing to fix its problems with guns and cars and public transit, but they do have the power to ground unsafe planes in their airspace, so that's what they're doing. As for the US, the US isn't doing anything about this plane at all; that's why we're arguing about it here, combined with the fact that other nations are doing something about it.

whack 8y ago

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcycle-crashes https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcyc... The fatality rates are 25 per 100 million occupant-miles traveled. That's far higher than for the Boeing 737 max. Let's also compare their safety by time, instead of miles traveled. Motorcycles: 25 / (100 x 10^6 / 60) = 0.000015 fatal crashes per hour Boeing 737 max, assuming it averages 12 hour flight time per day, and using your 1/350 odds: 1/(350 x 365 x 12) = 0.00000065 fatal crashes per hour The 737 max is still safer by an entire order of magnitude, even if you compared it by time spent traveling and not miles.