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Nonsense. Ethiopian airlines is rated Category 1 by the FAA and can thus fly direct to the US and they are a member of the star alliance. Just because they ar

Nonsense. Ethiopian airlines is rated Category 1 by the FAA and can thus fly direct to the US and they are a member of the star alliance. Just because they are the largest carrier in Africa does not imply dubious safety or maintenance.

briandear 8y ago
They had a 200 hour pilot flying in the right seat of the crashed airplane. Star Alliance or not, who in the hell defends a low-time student pilot flying right seat in an airliner? In the US, that would be illegal as a first officer has a 1500 hour requirement along with significant multi-engine turbine training. That copilot wouldn’t even have enough hours for a commercial certificate, let alone ATP.
- the_mitsuhiko 8y ago
  > They had a 200 hour pilot flying in the right seat of the crashed airplane. Star Alliance or not, who in the hell defends a low-time student pilot flying right seat in an airliner? So do European airlines and they have great safety records.
  - js2 8y ago
    FWIW Malcolm Gladwell's business bestseller Outliers: The Story of Success has a chapter devoted to explaining the superior safety record of American major airlines compared to foreign carriers: "The Ethnic Theory of Plane Crashes". Gladwell comes to the conclusion that foreigners are unsafe because they are ... foreign. They have a strange and defective culture that prevents the first officer (copilot) from speaking up and pointing out problems to the captain. If only everyone were American, the world would be a better and safer place. This article explores an alternative explanation: foreign airlines do comparatively poorly because their first officers have almost no pilot-in-command experience. https://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety https://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety
- xhruso00 8y ago
  200 or 20 000 hour doesn't matter because the pilot called back the airport that he has issues taking off. This indicate a problem with plane, anything that happened after might a pilot mistake but 100% you have confirmed plane issue.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  You conveniently forgot to mention that the captain of the flight was highly experienced with 8'000 hours of flight time.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    So in perfect conditions he's very likely to tell the rookie beside him to fly the plane so the rookie can rack up experience. Edit: Why is this being down-voted? Letting the new guy get experience this way is a common industry practice.
    - easytiger 8y ago
      For ET that is a captain only airport
    - freehunter 8y ago
      >Why is this being down-voted Because you're making a claim with absolutely no evidence that the captain sat by and watched a rookie crash a plane and kill everyone on board and the captain did nothing to intervene and save his own life.
      - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
        >Because you're making a claim with absolutely no evidence that the captain sat by and watched a rookie crash a plane Care to show me where I made that claim? All I said was that given the (good) conditions it was more likely (than any average minute of flight) that the less senior pilot was controlling the aircraft. >and the captain did nothing to intervene and save his own life. You mean like what happened the on the Air France A320 that wound up in the drink a few years back? It's perfectly possible that one pilot started fighting the MCAS system and both pilots actions in their attempts to deal with the situation combined in a way that resulted in the crash.
  - jhayward 8y ago
    We don't know which pilot was the flying pilot on this takeoff.

briandear 8y ago

They had a 200 hour pilot flying in the right seat of the crashed airplane. Star Alliance or not, who in the hell defends a low-time student pilot flying right seat in an airliner? In the US, that would be illegal as a first officer has a 1500 hour requirement along with significant multi-engine turbine training. That copilot wouldn’t even have enough hours for a commercial certificate, let alone ATP.

the_mitsuhiko 8y ago
> They had a 200 hour pilot flying in the right seat of the crashed airplane. Star Alliance or not, who in the hell defends a low-time student pilot flying right seat in an airliner? So do European airlines and they have great safety records.
- js2 8y ago
  FWIW Malcolm Gladwell's business bestseller Outliers: The Story of Success has a chapter devoted to explaining the superior safety record of American major airlines compared to foreign carriers: "The Ethnic Theory of Plane Crashes". Gladwell comes to the conclusion that foreigners are unsafe because they are ... foreign. They have a strange and defective culture that prevents the first officer (copilot) from speaking up and pointing out problems to the captain. If only everyone were American, the world would be a better and safer place. This article explores an alternative explanation: foreign airlines do comparatively poorly because their first officers have almost no pilot-in-command experience. https://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety https://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety
xhruso00 8y ago
200 or 20 000 hour doesn't matter because the pilot called back the airport that he has issues taking off. This indicate a problem with plane, anything that happened after might a pilot mistake but 100% you have confirmed plane issue.
CaptainZapp 8y ago
You conveniently forgot to mention that the captain of the flight was highly experienced with 8'000 hours of flight time.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  So in perfect conditions he's very likely to tell the rookie beside him to fly the plane so the rookie can rack up experience. Edit: Why is this being down-voted? Letting the new guy get experience this way is a common industry practice.
  - easytiger 8y ago
    For ET that is a captain only airport
  - freehunter 8y ago
    >Why is this being down-voted Because you're making a claim with absolutely no evidence that the captain sat by and watched a rookie crash a plane and kill everyone on board and the captain did nothing to intervene and save his own life.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      >Because you're making a claim with absolutely no evidence that the captain sat by and watched a rookie crash a plane Care to show me where I made that claim? All I said was that given the (good) conditions it was more likely (than any average minute of flight) that the less senior pilot was controlling the aircraft. >and the captain did nothing to intervene and save his own life. You mean like what happened the on the Air France A320 that wound up in the drink a few years back? It's perfectly possible that one pilot started fighting the MCAS system and both pilots actions in their attempts to deal with the situation combined in a way that resulted in the crash.
- jhayward 8y ago
  We don't know which pilot was the flying pilot on this takeoff.