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That is why it stings for poor or working class Asians and non-Jewish Whites...you don't get the affirmative action or legacy leg up...

jachee 8y ago
Oi. What's with the antisemitism?
- NavyNuke 8y ago
  Uh...that wasn't antisemetic...when talking about Ivy league representation, Jews are disproportionately represented which is why I distinguished between "Jewish Whites" and Non-Jewish Whites...
  - jachee 8y ago
    Bigger question: Why bring race up at all, then? Class has demonstrably larger effect. The 1% are very disproportionately represented in the Ivy League, too.
    - mikemotherwell 8y ago
      Is that how the system works? I'm not American, but it seems like race does get factored in. Or am I just sorely mistaken?
    - _red 8y ago
      A couple of interesting questions: 1. Is being Jewish a race or a religion? 2. Being Jewish is also strongly correlated to class. 44% of Jews earn 100K+. Thats compared to ~20% for Christian, 19% Catholic, 20% Islam. (Interestingly Hindus are close at 36%). Source: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/ http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-dis...
jdoliner 8y ago
I could be wrong, but I don't think Jews get much of an affirmative action boost either.
- normalperson 8y ago
  think twice http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
  - jdoliner 8y ago
    Good link, thank you.
  - pfisch 8y ago
    This is about anti-Jewish discrimination specifically. This is pro meritocracy. Not affirmative action.
  - richardhod 8y ago
    That article on first reading appears to be a balanced and well-argued article, but it concerns me that other articles on that site appear to be literally concerned with Holocaust denial and are generally israel-obsessed; alongside other far right wing and outlandish conspiracy theories. Therefore I'm sceptical and would wish to fact check further. See https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Unz_Review https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Unz_Review
jonny_eh 8y ago
I suspect you've never heard of the "Jewish Quota" that capped the number of Jews allowed in various schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota
- NavyNuke 8y ago
  I have heard of that but what does that have to do with anything now? It isn't an active policy of any of Ivy League schools anymore ..
  - pfisch 8y ago
    Nor is affirmative action for Jews but you brought that up.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
How do Jews get a leg up from affirmative action and legacies when the application doesn't ask for your religion (any more) and there were quotas in the past to limit the number of Jewish students?
- richardhod 8y ago
  To be fair, whether there is affirmative action or bias or not, characteristic names give a lot away for this religious-ethnic group, as with other groups.

jachee 8y ago

Oi. What's with the antisemitism?

NavyNuke 8y ago
Uh...that wasn't antisemetic...when talking about Ivy league representation, Jews are disproportionately represented which is why I distinguished between "Jewish Whites" and Non-Jewish Whites...
- jachee 8y ago
  Bigger question: Why bring race up at all, then? Class has demonstrably larger effect. The 1% are very disproportionately represented in the Ivy League, too.
  - mikemotherwell 8y ago
    Is that how the system works? I'm not American, but it seems like race does get factored in. Or am I just sorely mistaken?
  - _red 8y ago
    A couple of interesting questions: 1. Is being Jewish a race or a religion? 2. Being Jewish is also strongly correlated to class. 44% of Jews earn 100K+. Thats compared to ~20% for Christian, 19% Catholic, 20% Islam. (Interestingly Hindus are close at 36%). Source: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/ http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-dis...

jdoliner 8y ago

I could be wrong, but I don't think Jews get much of an affirmative action boost either.

normalperson 8y ago
think twice http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
- jdoliner 8y ago
  Good link, thank you.
- pfisch 8y ago
  This is about anti-Jewish discrimination specifically. This is pro meritocracy. Not affirmative action.
- richardhod 8y ago
  That article on first reading appears to be a balanced and well-argued article, but it concerns me that other articles on that site appear to be literally concerned with Holocaust denial and are generally israel-obsessed; alongside other far right wing and outlandish conspiracy theories. Therefore I'm sceptical and would wish to fact check further. See https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Unz_Review https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Unz_Review

jonny_eh 8y ago

I suspect you've never heard of the "Jewish Quota" that capped the number of Jews allowed in various schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

NavyNuke 8y ago
I have heard of that but what does that have to do with anything now? It isn't an active policy of any of Ivy League schools anymore ..
- pfisch 8y ago
  Nor is affirmative action for Jews but you brought that up.

Rebelgecko 8y ago

How do Jews get a leg up from affirmative action and legacies when the application doesn't ask for your religion (any more) and there were quotas in the past to limit the number of Jewish students?

richardhod 8y ago
To be fair, whether there is affirmative action or bias or not, characteristic names give a lot away for this religious-ethnic group, as with other groups.