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These all sound extremely serious and damning, but it's hard to know whether these match the typical tone and content of these kind of reports. Is this is well

These all sound extremely serious and damning, but it's hard to know whether these match the typical tone and content of these kind of reports. Is this is well inside the standard for adjusting to a new aircraft or does this suggest a serious hazard left unaddressed?

azernik 8y ago
Judging the other reports that people are posting for more mundane issues, this seems to be of an unusually serious tone.
dTal 8y ago
> I would generally assume it was my automation error, i.e., aircraft was trying to acquire a miss-commanded speed/no autothrottles, crossing restriction etc., but frankly neither of us could find an inappropriate setup error (not to say there wasn't one). Regardless of the usual tone, I find this particular paragraph a fairly terrifying indictment of cockpit human factors across the board. Apparently it's not unusual for aircraft behave unusually with the pilots not understanding why - and the poor pilots "generally" blame themselves!
- kqr 8y ago
  You probably dont want to listen to Captain Warren VanderBurgh on YouTube, then. Iirc, his idea of the most common phrase in the cockpit is, "What's it doing now?"
- CompelTechnic 8y ago
  If you ever have some time, you should try playing microsoft flight simulator and you will come to an understanding of this phenomenon. Aircraft have many states, and there is a lot of information to process to fly an aircraft, even in normal flight. When situations develop in real time, it takes a lot of mental horsepower to understand the situation and react appropriately. Despite all this, aviation is safer than driving a car. It is one of the reasons I find aviation to be inspiring. Conscientious humans have mastered this unforgiving domain through effort and power of will. When you talk to a real pilot, there are certain mannerisms that they share that tend to show that the practice of flying really makes you a thoughtful person.
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azernik 8y ago

Judging the other reports that people are posting for more mundane issues, this seems to be of an unusually serious tone.

dTal 8y ago

> I would generally assume it was my automation error, i.e., aircraft was trying to acquire a miss-commanded speed/no autothrottles, crossing restriction etc., but frankly neither of us could find an inappropriate setup error (not to say there wasn't one). Regardless of the usual tone, I find this particular paragraph a fairly terrifying indictment of cockpit human factors across the board. Apparently it's not unusual for aircraft behave unusually with the pilots not understanding why - and the poor pilots "generally" blame themselves!

kqr 8y ago
You probably dont want to listen to Captain Warren VanderBurgh on YouTube, then. Iirc, his idea of the most common phrase in the cockpit is, "What's it doing now?"
CompelTechnic 8y ago
If you ever have some time, you should try playing microsoft flight simulator and you will come to an understanding of this phenomenon. Aircraft have many states, and there is a lot of information to process to fly an aircraft, even in normal flight. When situations develop in real time, it takes a lot of mental horsepower to understand the situation and react appropriately. Despite all this, aviation is safer than driving a car. It is one of the reasons I find aviation to be inspiring. Conscientious humans have mastered this unforgiving domain through effort and power of will. When you talk to a real pilot, there are certain mannerisms that they share that tend to show that the practice of flying really makes you a thoughtful person.

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