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I think you are right. Rented a new vehicle recently on a trip and it had blind spot detectors - it would tell you when a vehicle was in one of the traditional

I think you are right. Rented a new vehicle recently on a trip and it had blind spot detectors - it would tell you when a vehicle was in one of the traditional blind spots. I thought this was great, easy to understand and thus trust.

tyingq 8y ago
Have these on my car, and they are great. So it's not "all or nothing" for society. Probably still "all or nothing" for Uber though, at least from a P&L perspective.
RandomBacon 8y ago
It is actually possible to completely remove the blind spot in the lane next to you. http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~gdguo/driving/BlindSpot.htm http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~gdguo/driving/BlindSpot.htm People don't like to do this because then they can't see the side of their own car in the mirror. Perhaps that should be added to driving tests. You shouldn't get a license if you don't know how to make the car safe to drive in.
- RandomBacon 8y ago
  Someone downvoted me, and I'm not sure why. Am I incorrect by saying it's possible to completely remove the blindspot? It has been in ever car I've owned, rented, or borrowed. Am I wrong in stating it's because people want to see the side of their car? It was for me when I first started driving and for everyone else I've asked. Is it because of my belief that people should only be licensed to drive if they can do so safely? If I'm wrong, please give me the opportunity to learn what you believe is right. I'm open to improving myself, and recognize that I am not, nor ever will be 100% right in everything.
  - zazen 8y ago
    I didn't downvote you, but I can guess why you might have been downvoted. Your comment is a) off-topic in a thread about automation, and b) presumptuous to the point of arrogance in assuming that your preferred way of aligning the mirrors is the one true safe way. Many people might reasonably believe that the traditional alignment we were taught, with the look-over-the-shoulder to check the blind spot that we were also traditionally taught, is safe. It comes across as aggressive when you suggest no-one should be allowed a license without converting to your new method.
    - RandomBacon 8y ago
      Thank you. I agree it's off-topic, I'm sorry.
linuxftw 8y ago
> I thought this was great, easy to understand and thus trust. When you come to trust these systems, you cease to verify if they're working properly. Unfortunately, the system will eventually fail, you'll have a false negative, and you will have been since trained into not looking into your blind spot the tradition way because 'the machine did it for you.' You will potentially cause an accident. Same thing with lane assist, same thing with adaptive cruise control. Perhaps not you, specifically, but some less vigilant driver.

tyingq 8y ago

Have these on my car, and they are great. So it's not "all or nothing" for society. Probably still "all or nothing" for Uber though, at least from a P&L perspective.

RandomBacon 8y ago

It is actually possible to completely remove the blind spot in the lane next to you. http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~gdguo/driving/BlindSpot.htm http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~gdguo/driving/BlindSpot.htm People don't like to do this because then they can't see the side of their own car in the mirror. Perhaps that should be added to driving tests. You shouldn't get a license if you don't know how to make the car safe to drive in.

RandomBacon 8y ago
Someone downvoted me, and I'm not sure why. Am I incorrect by saying it's possible to completely remove the blindspot? It has been in ever car I've owned, rented, or borrowed. Am I wrong in stating it's because people want to see the side of their car? It was for me when I first started driving and for everyone else I've asked. Is it because of my belief that people should only be licensed to drive if they can do so safely? If I'm wrong, please give me the opportunity to learn what you believe is right. I'm open to improving myself, and recognize that I am not, nor ever will be 100% right in everything.
- zazen 8y ago
  I didn't downvote you, but I can guess why you might have been downvoted. Your comment is a) off-topic in a thread about automation, and b) presumptuous to the point of arrogance in assuming that your preferred way of aligning the mirrors is the one true safe way. Many people might reasonably believe that the traditional alignment we were taught, with the look-over-the-shoulder to check the blind spot that we were also traditionally taught, is safe. It comes across as aggressive when you suggest no-one should be allowed a license without converting to your new method.
  - RandomBacon 8y ago
    Thank you. I agree it's off-topic, I'm sorry.

linuxftw 8y ago

> I thought this was great, easy to understand and thus trust. When you come to trust these systems, you cease to verify if they're working properly. Unfortunately, the system will eventually fail, you'll have a false negative, and you will have been since trained into not looking into your blind spot the tradition way because 'the machine did it for you.' You will potentially cause an accident. Same thing with lane assist, same thing with adaptive cruise control. Perhaps not you, specifically, but some less vigilant driver.