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Yes. Recalls with autos happen more often with a lot less. Consider the amount of cars out there. It only takes a few to put one in play.

V-eHGsd_ 8y ago
ASRS doesn't deal with reports about auto-safety. eg. search for ACN 1337942 here https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/dbol.html https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/dbol.html (i'm too dumb to figure out how to link to a specific nasa report), and there's a report about the captain's side AOA vane being busted and causing the captain's stick shaker to vibrate constantly. edit: here's another one: 1097906, talking about inconsistent airspeed readings between the captain and first officer and then on descent, the airspeed readings went super wonky and the plane pitched nose down.
stefan_ 8y ago
If the US would treat car safety like airplane safety there would be no SUVs driving out there.
- k_sh 8y ago
  Airplane safety should be more strict than car safety, because the damage an airplane crash causes is a handful of orders of magnitude higher than a car accident...
  - stefan_ 8y ago
    Yet deaths in the latter vastly outpace adverse events in the former. What is the criteria by which public safety should operate? Is it biggest explosion?
    - 1stcity3rdcoast 8y ago
      Opportunity cost of safety improvements to vehicles. Airliners cost like $100 million each, so they can afford to perfect safety. You can’t get airliner-level safety in a vehicle that costs less than $50,000.
      - Johnny555 8y ago
        Maybe not airliner level of safety, but based on the top causes of car accidents, they could probably be reduced by an order of magnitude with relatively inexpensive improvements: 1. better driver training 2. breathalyzer ignition interlocks 3. speed limiters (even more reduced speed at night/rain) 4. traffic light detection/automatic braking 5. enforced following distance (I'd add "sleep/impaired driver warnings", automatic emergency braking (including pedestrian detection) even though it doesn't quite relate to the top causes of accidents)) Here's the top ten: 1. Distracted Driving 2. Drunk Driving 3. Speeding 4. Reckless Driving 5. Rain 6. Running Red Lights 7. Night Driving 8. Design Defects/Maintenace 9. Tailgating 10. Wrong-Way Driving/ Improper Turns
    - gravy 8y ago
      Far more cars (than planes), far more drivers (than pilots), far less rules for permission (than a driver's license). Kind of an unfair comparison here.

V-eHGsd_ 8y ago

ASRS doesn't deal with reports about auto-safety. eg. search for ACN 1337942 here https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/dbol.html https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/dbol.html (i'm too dumb to figure out how to link to a specific nasa report), and there's a report about the captain's side AOA vane being busted and causing the captain's stick shaker to vibrate constantly. edit: here's another one: 1097906, talking about inconsistent airspeed readings between the captain and first officer and then on descent, the airspeed readings went super wonky and the plane pitched nose down.

stefan_ 8y ago

If the US would treat car safety like airplane safety there would be no SUVs driving out there.

k_sh 8y ago
Airplane safety should be more strict than car safety, because the damage an airplane crash causes is a handful of orders of magnitude higher than a car accident...
- stefan_ 8y ago
  Yet deaths in the latter vastly outpace adverse events in the former. What is the criteria by which public safety should operate? Is it biggest explosion?
  - 1stcity3rdcoast 8y ago
    Opportunity cost of safety improvements to vehicles. Airliners cost like $100 million each, so they can afford to perfect safety. You can’t get airliner-level safety in a vehicle that costs less than $50,000.
    - Johnny555 8y ago
      Maybe not airliner level of safety, but based on the top causes of car accidents, they could probably be reduced by an order of magnitude with relatively inexpensive improvements: 1. better driver training 2. breathalyzer ignition interlocks 3. speed limiters (even more reduced speed at night/rain) 4. traffic light detection/automatic braking 5. enforced following distance (I'd add "sleep/impaired driver warnings", automatic emergency braking (including pedestrian detection) even though it doesn't quite relate to the top causes of accidents)) Here's the top ten: 1. Distracted Driving 2. Drunk Driving 3. Speeding 4. Reckless Driving 5. Rain 6. Running Red Lights 7. Night Driving 8. Design Defects/Maintenace 9. Tailgating 10. Wrong-Way Driving/ Improper Turns
  - gravy 8y ago
    Far more cars (than planes), far more drivers (than pilots), far less rules for permission (than a driver's license). Kind of an unfair comparison here.