> describe sexuality conversion therapy as "therapy helping gay folks be comfortable with heterosexual partners." Quoting the Wikipedia definition: "Conversion

> describe sexuality conversion therapy as "therapy helping gay folks be comfortable with heterosexual partners." Quoting the Wikipedia definition: "Conversion therapy is the pseudoscientific practice of trying to change an individual's sexual orientation from homosexual or bisexual to heterosexual using psychological or spiritual interventions." Conversion therapy has a long and ugly history and is well defined. What we are talking about here is not that. Clearly conversion therapy is expressly negative. It tells a person that their hard wired sexuality that comes from birth is wrong and that they need to change something that can't be changed. This isn't the same as the therapy being described by Dr Soh, which appears to be more akin to "you're okay as you are and do not need to change." There seems to be an attempt to redefine conversion therapy to extend it to a different case. I think we would be better served by a new term for this kind of therapy. This thread started because someone labelled Dr Soh as a supporter of conversion therapy, which has a specific meaning. They did this as an ad hominem attack because conversion therapy is widely felt to be disgusting. The purpose was to get people not to read or consider this article, and the article was not even on a trans subject. We found no evidence that she supports conversion therapy. > However, it's heavily biased towards better outcomes for cisgender children, disregarding the outcomes for transgender children who will inevitably be traumatized by years of therapy geared at convincing them that they aren't who they know they are. You're asserting Dr Soh is advocating traumatizing children for years to convince them to be something they aren't? We have no evidence of that. We can all agree any therapy that traumatizes a child is not good therapy. That's a terrible fucking therapist. I suspect Dr Soh agrees with that too. How do we separate a child who has gender dysphoria and thinks they need to transition but will later change their mind from a child who has gender dysphoria and really was born in the wrong body? Is it possible to provide therapy to the gender dysphoric child who later doesn't want to change, without harming the gender dysphoric child that does later want to change? It's easy with homosexuality, because the principal we can apply is simply not to interfere and to allow the child to accept themselves and their sexual feelings as they are. No reasonable people think this is bad. What's the equivalent safe approach for helping children with gender dysphoria? No therapy? Years of therapy geared at reinforcing that they must change their sex to be happy? This is nowhere near as cut and dry as the case homosexuality and conversion therapy.