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> So back in 1999 people thought that Microsoft would be dominant forever - how did that work out? > It wasn’t government intervention that caused the once The

> So back in 1999 people thought that Microsoft would be dominant forever - how did that work out? > It wasn’t government intervention that caused the once The Beleaguered Computer Company that was about to be crushed by MS what it is today. The criticisms of Microsoft weren't that it was preventing Apple from selling computers; but that it was using it's monopoly in the operating system to prevent competition against its other software. > Even Spotify came out of nowhere and made the once dominance iTunes Music Store basically irrelevant without government intervention. And if Apple decided Spotify could not be on the App Store, how would Spotify do then? (Nevermind we're ignoring the "Apple tax".)

scarface74 8y ago
Spotify doesn’t pay an “Apple Tax”. You can’t subscribe to Spotify within the App store.
- cgriswald 8y ago
  > Spotify doesn’t pay an “Apple Tax”. You can’t subscribe to Spotify within the App store. Spotfy is an example. Plenty of Apps do pay the "Apple tax." I'd get into the complexity of how the "Apple tax" affects Spotify even though it doesn't pay it, but you seem to have already made up your mind about all this regardless of the facts.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    You mean companies have to pay to be a part of a marketplace? Software distributors use to pay retailers 60% of the retail price to be sold in stores. It was 70% to be distributed in online app stores like the ones that Verizon use to run to distribute J2ME apps. And you act as if most revenue from online stores is not coming from in app purchases of consumable goods.
    - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
      > Software distributors use to pay retailers 60% of the retail price to be sold in stores. Because retail stores have to provide shelf space with real estate cost, unsold inventory cost, etc. How much is that cost to Apple? > It was 70% to be distributed in online app stores like the ones that Verizon use to run to distribute J2ME apps. And it costs 0% to be distributed in a Linux package manager. Possibly something to do with Verizon having the same sort of app monopoly over its device customers that Apple does.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        You could download J2ME apps from anywhere. Honestly I used Verizon as an example but thinking back, Sprint’s store was a better example. I think Verizon used something different. Because retail stores have to provide shelf space with real estate cost, unsold inventory cost, etc. How much is that cost to Apple? So now the government should also decide what is a “fair” amount of markup? And it costs 0% to be distributed in a Linux package manager. And seeing how little money you can make from Linux users, the value add for distributing packages on Linux makes the price about right....
        AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        > You could download J2ME apps from anywhere. Honestly I used Verizon as an example but thinking back, Sprint’s store was a better example. I think Verizon used something different. In which case the lesson is that by charging so much in a competitive market, that business unit failed. Which leads to the real point: > So now the government should also decide what is a “fair” amount of markup? It's not a matter of setting prices, it's a matter of having competition. Apple gets 30% because it's the only feasible way to distribute to iOS. If Apple was charging 30% and there was a competing Mozilla App Store for iOS charging 5%, I suspect Apple would lose some business to it. And if some people still think Apple's store is worth 30%, no problem -- let them pay 30% while others pay 5%. But the 5% option should exist. > And seeing how little money you can make from Linux users, the value add for distributing packages on Linux makes the price about right.... The point is that it shows the cost of providing that service. If Debian can do it at scale for nothing, what is Apple doing that justifies 30%, and where is the option to get just the thing Debian does for free?
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scarface74 8y ago

Spotify doesn’t pay an “Apple Tax”. You can’t subscribe to Spotify within the App store.

cgriswald 8y ago
> Spotify doesn’t pay an “Apple Tax”. You can’t subscribe to Spotify within the App store. Spotfy is an example. Plenty of Apps do pay the "Apple tax." I'd get into the complexity of how the "Apple tax" affects Spotify even though it doesn't pay it, but you seem to have already made up your mind about all this regardless of the facts.
- scarface74 8y ago
  You mean companies have to pay to be a part of a marketplace? Software distributors use to pay retailers 60% of the retail price to be sold in stores. It was 70% to be distributed in online app stores like the ones that Verizon use to run to distribute J2ME apps. And you act as if most revenue from online stores is not coming from in app purchases of consumable goods.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    > Software distributors use to pay retailers 60% of the retail price to be sold in stores. Because retail stores have to provide shelf space with real estate cost, unsold inventory cost, etc. How much is that cost to Apple? > It was 70% to be distributed in online app stores like the ones that Verizon use to run to distribute J2ME apps. And it costs 0% to be distributed in a Linux package manager. Possibly something to do with Verizon having the same sort of app monopoly over its device customers that Apple does.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      You could download J2ME apps from anywhere. Honestly I used Verizon as an example but thinking back, Sprint’s store was a better example. I think Verizon used something different. Because retail stores have to provide shelf space with real estate cost, unsold inventory cost, etc. How much is that cost to Apple? So now the government should also decide what is a “fair” amount of markup? And it costs 0% to be distributed in a Linux package manager. And seeing how little money you can make from Linux users, the value add for distributing packages on Linux makes the price about right....
      - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        > You could download J2ME apps from anywhere. Honestly I used Verizon as an example but thinking back, Sprint’s store was a better example. I think Verizon used something different. In which case the lesson is that by charging so much in a competitive market, that business unit failed. Which leads to the real point: > So now the government should also decide what is a “fair” amount of markup? It's not a matter of setting prices, it's a matter of having competition. Apple gets 30% because it's the only feasible way to distribute to iOS. If Apple was charging 30% and there was a competing Mozilla App Store for iOS charging 5%, I suspect Apple would lose some business to it. And if some people still think Apple's store is worth 30%, no problem -- let them pay 30% while others pay 5%. But the 5% option should exist. > And seeing how little money you can make from Linux users, the value add for distributing packages on Linux makes the price about right.... The point is that it shows the cost of providing that service. If Debian can do it at scale for nothing, what is Apple doing that justifies 30%, and where is the option to get just the thing Debian does for free?

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