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>Could you flesh your comment out a bit more? How are they more insidious than Infowars? I am assuming the worst thing Infowars has done was claim that that one

>Could you flesh your comment out a bit more? How are they more insidious than Infowars? I am assuming the worst thing Infowars has done was claim that that one school shooting was a fake shooting and the survivors crisis actors. Infowars is tabloid material at best; but even they say that this is a lie. They never asserted this. >But I don't think I've ever seen anything that I would call insidious. I've found myself on zerohedge a few times through investing reasons. I've looked through their content and I'm not really seeing anything offensive really. >Fair disclaimer that I follow Zero Hedge on Twitter, for much the same reason I follow CNBC: I need a perma-bear to balance out the perma-bull. Very wise move.

joshuamorton 8y ago
>Infowars is tabloid material at best; but even they say that this is a lie. They never asserted this. Yes they did. Alex Jones initially called Sandy Hook a hoax and the families crisis actors. He is being (so far successfully) sued for such acts[0]. He did walk back some of those claims, but here's his words: >"Yeah, so, Sandy Hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn’t believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors. I mean they even ended up using photos of kids killed in mass shootings here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey -- so yeah, or Pakistan. The sky is now the limit. I appreciate your call."[1] They're tricky to find because they are not written but made live on a radio show, but yeah Infowars absolutely claimed that sandy hook parents and children were actors. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-defamation-suit-sandy-hook.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-de... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20170303201414/http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-correct-austins-alex-jones-said-no/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170303201414/http://www.politi...
- sleepysysadmin 8y ago
  >Yes they did. Alex Jones initially called Sandy Hook a hoax and the families crisis actors. He is being (so far successfully) sued for such acts[0]. He did walk back some of those claims, but here's his words: Could you provide a source for this? Both your links do not source anything from alex jones. >They're tricky to find because they are not written but made live on a radio show, but yeah Infowars absolutely claimed that sandy hook parents and children were actors. When we have a censorship and false accusation problem ongoing. You need to provide the source. Dont get me wrong, alex jones is tabloid quality at best... but when you have the left-wing calling the right-wing nazis without any evidence of these people being nazis is insane.
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    Yes they do, from the second link >the second hour of Jones’ Jan. 13, 2015 show Given that he posted them on Youtube and is now banned, I'm not sure where to find them now. Nor do I have any interest in trying to figure it out. However, it looks like you can listen to hour 2 here[1] after entering the date. I haven't tried though. [1]: http://www.gcnlive.com/JW1D/index.php/archivespage?showCode=1 http://www.gcnlive.com/JW1D/index.php/archivespage?showCode=...
    - sleepysysadmin 8y ago
      A couple videos I cannot watch is not a valid source. Again, there is a repeat issue of the left-wing lying and making false accusations against right-wingers. Ben Shapiro for example is a practicing jew but is regularly called a nazi. I would love to hear your source but Alex Jones denies ever saying it and I'm not seeing any sources. Regardless, again the guy is a walking tabloid. He literally calls himself retarded.The guy rants on and on for hours everyday. He gets super drunk and high. The guy is going to say retarded things. Yet you're going back to a 2015 show to find something the dumbass said and you cant even prove it? That's some pretty weak arguments.
      - joshuamorton 8y ago
        I gave you a link to an archive where you can listen yourself. Your refusal to do so is on you, not me. I have proven what I've claimed, you just appear uninterested in believing what's in front of you. Like I said, Jones's comments were made in speech, not in written word, and the easiest place to find it was on youtube. Since you don't seem to accept that, I am curious though, what "source" would you accept? >The guy is going to say retarded things. Your claim was very specific: >They never asserted this. Infowars did. I provided evidence of the falsehood of your claim. Your defense now seems to be that it was a while ago. Which is true, but so was the Sandy Hook attack, so that's not particularly surprising. If you don't want to be called out for defending a conspiracy theorist, don't make absolute claims about a conspiracy theorist that can be proven wrong with a few minutes of searching, and certainly don't then double down on your defense because he said them a while ago. Please don't defend Alex Jones and Infowars. Its not a good look.

joshuamorton 8y ago

>Infowars is tabloid material at best; but even they say that this is a lie. They never asserted this. Yes they did. Alex Jones initially called Sandy Hook a hoax and the families crisis actors. He is being (so far successfully) sued for such acts[0]. He did walk back some of those claims, but here's his words: >"Yeah, so, Sandy Hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured. I couldn’t believe it at first. I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids. And it just shows how bold they are, that they clearly used actors. I mean they even ended up using photos of kids killed in mass shootings here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey -- so yeah, or Pakistan. The sky is now the limit. I appreciate your call."[1] They're tricky to find because they are not written but made live on a radio show, but yeah Infowars absolutely claimed that sandy hook parents and children were actors. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-defamation-suit-sandy-hook.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-de... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20170303201414/http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-correct-austins-alex-jones-said-no/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170303201414/http://www.politi...

sleepysysadmin 8y ago
>Yes they did. Alex Jones initially called Sandy Hook a hoax and the families crisis actors. He is being (so far successfully) sued for such acts[0]. He did walk back some of those claims, but here's his words: Could you provide a source for this? Both your links do not source anything from alex jones. >They're tricky to find because they are not written but made live on a radio show, but yeah Infowars absolutely claimed that sandy hook parents and children were actors. When we have a censorship and false accusation problem ongoing. You need to provide the source. Dont get me wrong, alex jones is tabloid quality at best... but when you have the left-wing calling the right-wing nazis without any evidence of these people being nazis is insane.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  Yes they do, from the second link >the second hour of Jones’ Jan. 13, 2015 show Given that he posted them on Youtube and is now banned, I'm not sure where to find them now. Nor do I have any interest in trying to figure it out. However, it looks like you can listen to hour 2 here[1] after entering the date. I haven't tried though. [1]: http://www.gcnlive.com/JW1D/index.php/archivespage?showCode=1 http://www.gcnlive.com/JW1D/index.php/archivespage?showCode=...
  - sleepysysadmin 8y ago
    A couple videos I cannot watch is not a valid source. Again, there is a repeat issue of the left-wing lying and making false accusations against right-wingers. Ben Shapiro for example is a practicing jew but is regularly called a nazi. I would love to hear your source but Alex Jones denies ever saying it and I'm not seeing any sources. Regardless, again the guy is a walking tabloid. He literally calls himself retarded.The guy rants on and on for hours everyday. He gets super drunk and high. The guy is going to say retarded things. Yet you're going back to a 2015 show to find something the dumbass said and you cant even prove it? That's some pretty weak arguments.
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      I gave you a link to an archive where you can listen yourself. Your refusal to do so is on you, not me. I have proven what I've claimed, you just appear uninterested in believing what's in front of you. Like I said, Jones's comments were made in speech, not in written word, and the easiest place to find it was on youtube. Since you don't seem to accept that, I am curious though, what "source" would you accept? >The guy is going to say retarded things. Your claim was very specific: >They never asserted this. Infowars did. I provided evidence of the falsehood of your claim. Your defense now seems to be that it was a while ago. Which is true, but so was the Sandy Hook attack, so that's not particularly surprising. If you don't want to be called out for defending a conspiracy theorist, don't make absolute claims about a conspiracy theorist that can be proven wrong with a few minutes of searching, and certainly don't then double down on your defense because he said them a while ago. Please don't defend Alex Jones and Infowars. Its not a good look.