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I disagree completely. People who choose chrome because of a view UX enhancements, or choose Google because Gmail syncs better than iCal/idav, or decide to use

I disagree completely. People who choose chrome because of a view UX enhancements, or choose Google because Gmail syncs better than iCal/idav, or decide to use Google search over duckduckgo because of blah, is the reason why Giant Corporations rule the planet. Why not support the underdog that actually cares about your privacy and liberties, rather than choosing an option that feeds the beast and sends us down a path to a dystopian future complete with global surveillance?

dfrage 8y ago
There are easier ways to fight the "path to a dystopian future complete with global surveillance" than sticking with an organization that's not making software fit for purpose, and is so political and privacy disdaining it will without question enthusiastically join that dystopia in due course, if it hasn't already.
wsgeorge 8y ago
> Why not support the underdog that actually cares about your privacy and liberties, ... I don't think many people use products because of their politics. They use what works for them. Chrome seems to be doing so extremely well, despite its flaws and questionable competitive practices. I have three browsers on my laptop. I hate Chrome because it is a battery/memory/data hog. But I can't comfortably switch profiles (work/various orgs/non-profits/personal) on FF like I do with Chrome. The feature is actually in FF, but it isn't available in the interface for whatever reason. This feature is nonexistent on Safari. Despite the alternatives on FF, this one feature is what keeps me on Chrome. Had FF had that, I probably would've switched by now. Nothing political (unless the politics suddenly begins to matter)
AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
> Why not support the underdog that actually cares about your privacy and liberties I, for one, am not convinced they do. I'm convinced that's the message they're trying to sell right now because they can't compete in other ways, but history has not shown that they really do.
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dhimes 8y ago
I use chrome for gmail, and Firefox for everything else. And it's quite quick on Linux. In fact, with that send.firefox.com bit that was talked about earlier, I just sent them a message and asked them to build that link directly into Firefox, so I can tell my friends who want to share files with me (I do a lot of charter sailing), 'hey, just open firefox and click Tools->Send'. No dropbox or anything else needed. I think it could be a killer feature.
tracker1 8y ago
In general, I choose the best tool that provides the best cross platform use case. Unlike many, I'll often reach for web apps, or electron apps mostly because my biggest concern is being able to use the program in windows, macos and linux with the least friction. I'm now using Hyper, rather than iterm2 because it's not mac only. Hyper isn't great, but I don't have a better cross platform general terminal. I use VS Code everywhere, absolutely love it. I tend to use Chrome, because it pretty much works everywhere, though Brave is my default on my phone. There's a lot to be said for a better UI/UX, and programs that work everywhere. Also, google doesn't sell their data, they do sell ads using their data. I do wish they'd lock down their advertisers a bit (restricting to text + images, no JS should be needed in-ad). I have mixed feelings about Google as a company and their culture. I don't trust most of their services/apps to stick around, so tend not to use them beyond browser, search and gmail.

dfrage 8y ago

There are easier ways to fight the "path to a dystopian future complete with global surveillance" than sticking with an organization that's not making software fit for purpose, and is so political and privacy disdaining it will without question enthusiastically join that dystopia in due course, if it hasn't already.

wsgeorge 8y ago

> Why not support the underdog that actually cares about your privacy and liberties, ... I don't think many people use products because of their politics. They use what works for them. Chrome seems to be doing so extremely well, despite its flaws and questionable competitive practices. I have three browsers on my laptop. I hate Chrome because it is a battery/memory/data hog. But I can't comfortably switch profiles (work/various orgs/non-profits/personal) on FF like I do with Chrome. The feature is actually in FF, but it isn't available in the interface for whatever reason. This feature is nonexistent on Safari. Despite the alternatives on FF, this one feature is what keeps me on Chrome. Had FF had that, I probably would've switched by now. Nothing political (unless the politics suddenly begins to matter)

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

> Why not support the underdog that actually cares about your privacy and liberties I, for one, am not convinced they do. I'm convinced that's the message they're trying to sell right now because they can't compete in other ways, but history has not shown that they really do.

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dhimes 8y ago

I use chrome for gmail, and Firefox for everything else. And it's quite quick on Linux. In fact, with that send.firefox.com bit that was talked about earlier, I just sent them a message and asked them to build that link directly into Firefox, so I can tell my friends who want to share files with me (I do a lot of charter sailing), 'hey, just open firefox and click Tools->Send'. No dropbox or anything else needed. I think it could be a killer feature.

tracker1 8y ago

In general, I choose the best tool that provides the best cross platform use case. Unlike many, I'll often reach for web apps, or electron apps mostly because my biggest concern is being able to use the program in windows, macos and linux with the least friction. I'm now using Hyper, rather than iterm2 because it's not mac only. Hyper isn't great, but I don't have a better cross platform general terminal. I use VS Code everywhere, absolutely love it. I tend to use Chrome, because it pretty much works everywhere, though Brave is my default on my phone. There's a lot to be said for a better UI/UX, and programs that work everywhere. Also, google doesn't sell their data, they do sell ads using their data. I do wish they'd lock down their advertisers a bit (restricting to text + images, no JS should be needed in-ad). I have mixed feelings about Google as a company and their culture. I don't trust most of their services/apps to stick around, so tend not to use them beyond browser, search and gmail.