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Finland passes enhanced surveillance bills without a vote

61 points by ff_ 8y ago

java-man 8y ago
oh no, not Finland!
- themistokl1k 8y ago
  NOT-A-FINRAND
maxeldesign 8y ago
I was not expecting this from a country like Finland.
AnssiH 8y ago
Note that "without a vote" in this context means that no one in the plenary session opposed passing it, so no vote was held.
- close04 8y ago
  Thank you for the clarification. Reading the title I understood that it was "slipped in" somehow without following due process (for example because it wouldn't have gotten the votes). Which would have made a world of difference.
cryptonector 8y ago
It's not that there was no vote so much as there was no opposition, so not vote was needed to pass it. It's as if it passed unanimously. Although this happened in a "nearly-empty plenary chamber", which makes one wonder about quorum -- did they have quorum?
- AnssiH 8y ago
  There is no minimum requirement for plenary sessions. Looks like the majority of MPs were present at the beginning (list of absentees: https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/PoytakirjaLiite/Sivut/EDK-2019-AK-251781.aspx https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/PoytakirjaLiite/Sivut/EDK-... ), but the video shows that by the end (when voting happens) most people were not present anymore: https://www.eduskunta.fi/_layouts/15/Arkena.Edk.SaliVideo/index.html#clip_id=6021BB78&position=0&tab=ConferenceCurrent https://www.eduskunta.fi/_layouts/15/Arkena.Edk.SaliVideo/in...
tiedustelulaki 8y ago
I'm currently launching https://tiedustelulaki.com/ https://tiedustelulaki.com/ On this website I intend to collect as much information as possible about the politicians who supported this legislation, I hope to expose every last part of their private lives. Nothing will be off limits. I'm starting out with a total of 20000 euro budget in cryptocurrency that I intend to use to fund some sort of a bounty program in order to collect personal information on politicians who voted for this legislation.
drallison 8y ago
I wonder why this was marked dead. tiedustelulaki 14 minutes ago [dead] [-] I'm currently launching https://tiedustelulaki.com/ On this website I intend to collect as much information as possible about the politicians who supported this legislation, I hope to expose every last part of their private lives. Nothing will be off limits. I'm starting out with a total of 20000 euro budget in cryptocurrency that I intend to use to fund some sort of a bounty program in order to collect personal information on politicians who voted for this legislation. While the response might be considered over-the-top, it also reflects a level of concern and anger which HN readers may find helpful in understanding.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  New account with no post history posting a link gets automatically marked as dead. When this happens you can select the post and click on [vouch] if you think it's not spammy. Is it really over-the-top? This seems like it could be a rather effective way for individuals to make a difference.
- deogeo 8y ago
  > over-the-top Looks like tit-for-tat to me.
- dang 8y ago
  The comment was killed by a software filter that is based on past activity by trolls and applies to brand new accounts. It has since been unkilled by users vouching for it, which is the intended use of vouching. In the future, can you please not post comments like this? They always attract attention because meta is the crack of internet forums, but they take discussion off topic, and the discussion they do lead to is usually just a sugar high rather than interesting. Here are two better things to do in such cases: (1) vouch for the comment (click on its timestamp to go its page, then click 'vouch' at the top—this requires karma > 30); (2) email us. Then we can unkill the comment and mark the account legit so it won't happen again.
  - java-man 8y ago
    could you please explain what's a meta?
rhn_mk1 8y ago
The article is scant on details - what was the bill and why was it controversial?
woodandsteel 8y ago
I'm confused. Is it that there were no mp's who were opposed to the legislation? Or is it that there were, but it was somehow sneaked through without a chance for them to vote against it? Or what?

61 points by ff_ 8y ago

java-man 8y ago

oh no, not Finland!

themistokl1k 8y ago
NOT-A-FINRAND

maxeldesign 8y ago

I was not expecting this from a country like Finland.

AnssiH 8y ago

Note that "without a vote" in this context means that no one in the plenary session opposed passing it, so no vote was held.

close04 8y ago
Thank you for the clarification. Reading the title I understood that it was "slipped in" somehow without following due process (for example because it wouldn't have gotten the votes). Which would have made a world of difference.

cryptonector 8y ago

It's not that there was no vote so much as there was no opposition, so not vote was needed to pass it. It's as if it passed unanimously. Although this happened in a "nearly-empty plenary chamber", which makes one wonder about quorum -- did they have quorum?

AnssiH 8y ago
There is no minimum requirement for plenary sessions. Looks like the majority of MPs were present at the beginning (list of absentees: https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/PoytakirjaLiite/Sivut/EDK-2019-AK-251781.aspx https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/PoytakirjaLiite/Sivut/EDK-... ), but the video shows that by the end (when voting happens) most people were not present anymore: https://www.eduskunta.fi/_layouts/15/Arkena.Edk.SaliVideo/index.html#clip_id=6021BB78&position=0&tab=ConferenceCurrent https://www.eduskunta.fi/_layouts/15/Arkena.Edk.SaliVideo/in...

tiedustelulaki 8y ago

I'm currently launching https://tiedustelulaki.com/ https://tiedustelulaki.com/ On this website I intend to collect as much information as possible about the politicians who supported this legislation, I hope to expose every last part of their private lives. Nothing will be off limits. I'm starting out with a total of 20000 euro budget in cryptocurrency that I intend to use to fund some sort of a bounty program in order to collect personal information on politicians who voted for this legislation.

drallison 8y ago

I wonder why this was marked dead. tiedustelulaki 14 minutes ago [dead] [-] I'm currently launching https://tiedustelulaki.com/ On this website I intend to collect as much information as possible about the politicians who supported this legislation, I hope to expose every last part of their private lives. Nothing will be off limits. I'm starting out with a total of 20000 euro budget in cryptocurrency that I intend to use to fund some sort of a bounty program in order to collect personal information on politicians who voted for this legislation. While the response might be considered over-the-top, it also reflects a level of concern and anger which HN readers may find helpful in understanding.

ryanlol 8y ago
New account with no post history posting a link gets automatically marked as dead. When this happens you can select the post and click on [vouch] if you think it's not spammy. Is it really over-the-top? This seems like it could be a rather effective way for individuals to make a difference.
deogeo 8y ago
> over-the-top Looks like tit-for-tat to me.
dang 8y ago
The comment was killed by a software filter that is based on past activity by trolls and applies to brand new accounts. It has since been unkilled by users vouching for it, which is the intended use of vouching. In the future, can you please not post comments like this? They always attract attention because meta is the crack of internet forums, but they take discussion off topic, and the discussion they do lead to is usually just a sugar high rather than interesting. Here are two better things to do in such cases: (1) vouch for the comment (click on its timestamp to go its page, then click 'vouch' at the top—this requires karma > 30); (2) email us. Then we can unkill the comment and mark the account legit so it won't happen again.
- java-man 8y ago
  could you please explain what's a meta?

rhn_mk1 8y ago

The article is scant on details - what was the bill and why was it controversial?

woodandsteel 8y ago

I'm confused. Is it that there were no mp's who were opposed to the legislation? Or is it that there were, but it was somehow sneaked through without a chance for them to vote against it? Or what?