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Why not Canonical/Ubuntu ? After all they are presumably the most affected by the state of Debian. Just a couple of days ago I made a comment along these lines

Why not Canonical/Ubuntu ? After all they are presumably the most affected by the state of Debian. Just a couple of days ago I made a comment along these lines in a different thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19353816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19353816 > While this is sad and painful to read, I can't say I'm surprised. > > The problems listed are precisely the kind of problems that Redhat > strategically supports fedora with, in terms of investment of resources. > For all the hate Redhat receives it has consistently been a good > community member by being willing to help fedora in areas that it knows > are hard and yet not 'cool' enough to attract volunteer contributions. > > What has Ubuntu done for the debian community along the same lines? To further contrast this difference, here's what Redhat does for fedora and OSS in general: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions https://getfedora.org/sponsors https://getfedora.org/sponsors versus: https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi https://www.debian.org/partners/ https://www.debian.org/partners/ https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors Of course, that doesn't stop 'em from throwing in lip-service: https://www.ubuntu.com/community/debian https://www.ubuntu.com/community/debian https://www.canonical.com/projects https://www.canonical.com/projects

bloopernova 8y ago
I would hope someone could set me straight if I'm wrong, but I thought that the relationship between Canonical and Debian was mostly one of taking rather than giving back? You're right about Red Hat though, they get a lot of negative feeling from people who may not understand just how much they give back to the community at large.
- bzed 8y ago
  I think it depends a lot on the relationship between the people who work on some party of the distribution. The canonical people are paid and have their todo list, and they are paid to do that. So if they have a good contact to Debian, they try to get things done via Debian. Some even don't care at all. Some are even Debian developer and do all teir work in Ubuntu and just upload something to Debian at some point. Or they try to force their init system into Debian.... So there are a lot of positive things, but when I think about the biggest issues we had in Debian (or actually have), I consider Ubuntu as evil.

bloopernova 8y ago

I would hope someone could set me straight if I'm wrong, but I thought that the relationship between Canonical and Debian was mostly one of taking rather than giving back? You're right about Red Hat though, they get a lot of negative feeling from people who may not understand just how much they give back to the community at large.

bzed 8y ago
I think it depends a lot on the relationship between the people who work on some party of the distribution. The canonical people are paid and have their todo list, and they are paid to do that. So if they have a good contact to Debian, they try to get things done via Debian. Some even don't care at all. Some are even Debian developer and do all teir work in Ubuntu and just upload something to Debian at some point. Or they try to force their init system into Debian.... So there are a lot of positive things, but when I think about the biggest issues we had in Debian (or actually have), I consider Ubuntu as evil.