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I don't understand this attitude. Why the love for Microsoft, after all the abuse it's shown towards other players in the OS market, all the monopolistic behavi

I don't understand this attitude. Why the love for Microsoft, after all the abuse it's shown towards other players in the OS market, all the monopolistic behavior, all the ... There have been better, cleaner, leaner, FOSS operating systems out there for decades, why support, or even give mindshare to something like Windows?

Krasnol 8y ago
Because here in reality Windows is still everywhere and it seems to stay for quite some time. So why not being happy that it's being improved? Also: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...
- magduf 8y ago
  These "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" articles are mostly BS, and just keep repeating the same, tired garbage arguments. I'll refute a few points: Notice that a lot of this one is about NVIDIA. The solution is simple: don't use it. Desktop Linux works great on Intel and AMD, where the driver support is excellent. NVIDIA isn't the only GPU vendor out there. Printers work much better in Linux than in Windows, and it's been this way for a very long time. The exception is cheap, crappy inkjets. Solution: don't use cheap, crappy inkjets. Inkjets are a scam. Games are always on this list. I don't care about games. Many of the other points in your list are completely obsolete. For business use, most of these factors are a non-issue. Being able to play AAA games is not important for a business computer, nor for many (most?) home computers. I know gamers can't conceive of this, but not everyone plays recent AAA video games.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    So to wrap this up, your solutions are: - spend more money - I don't care about it - something undefined is obsolete - ignoring that most business runs on MS products and compatibility issues are a thing This attitude is one reason that was not on the list. It's one that one should not forget though as it hits hard for those who are determined to make it work. They found themselves confronted by a self centered community of semi-gods who think the world should arrange around what they assume it is.
    - magduf 8y ago
      >- spend more money Nvidia isn't the cheapest option by far, so no, you should change this to "spend LESS money". If you're talking about printers (your post was poorly written and didn't refer to anything point-by-point), then yes, and also "spend more money to save money". Inkjet printers are a scam, full stop. They cost a LOT of money in consumables. You will save a lot of money by buying a laser printer instead. It's really that simple. And every laser printer works just fine in Linux. There is no good reason to buy a <$100 inkjet printer unless you really want to be ripped off. >- I don't care about it Yes, and lots of other people don't as well. If games are the only thing keeping you on Windows (and I've talked to a bunch of people for whom this is the case), then stop complaining about all the problems and spying in Windows: you're making a choice to enjoy a luxury, and put up with things you find abhorrent, just because of your addiction to games. I know this is news to a lot of younger techies, but not everyone cares about modern AAA games. I guess I shouldn't even bother writing this because apparently this concept is so utterly foreign to them, but it's true. There's large swathes of the computer-using population (which these days is most of the population) that don't buy or play video games, and haven't since they were kids. Amazing huh? So no, the fact that Linux can't play every single AAA game just isn't an issue to them. >- something undefined is obsolete I have no idea what you're referring to here, perhaps you could try being more descriptive. >- ignoring that most business runs on MS products and compatibility issues are a thing In my experience, all my work is in Linux, except for MS Office and Outlook, and companies are wasting a lot of money buying me a separate computer (or VMware licenses etc.) just so I can read email on Outlook.
      - Krasnol 8y ago
        > Nvidia isn't the cheapest option by far, That's not the point here. Usually people have problems with Linux and Nvidia because they already have Nvidia in their computer. So changing hardware for Linux to make it work properly involves spending more money. Same goes for peoples printers. And no it's not just about inkjet. This is about drivers and unforeseeable issues you face if you switch and I know what I'm talking about since I made my parents laptop switch over to Mint and been confronted with issues on their laser printer... > Yes, and lots of other people don't as well. If games are the only thing keeping you on Windows then stop complaining about all the problems and spying in Windows I'm not sure if you misread the thread here. The original argument was about someone complaining that people have "love for Microsoft". Nobody was complaining about anything you bring up there. > you're making a choice to enjoy a luxury, and put up with things you find abhorrent, just because of your addiction to games. So what you did here was to blow out a straw man to infinity. Who's talking about addictions? Not everybody who wants to play a game after work or from time to time is addicted. What is this generalizing overdramatization? > I have no idea what you're referring to here, perhaps you could try being more descriptive. I didn't know what you meant by obsolete. That's why I wrote that. If you don't know what's obsolete, it wouldn't be much of a surprise to me considering the way you crippled the other points above but it's still kinda weird. > In my experience, all my work is in Linux, except for MS Office and Outlook So I guess you just don't have much experience then. It's not just office and outlook. It's a endless amount of small programs in different regions of different businesses and hardware. There is a huge world out there beyond your narrow world view of addicted kids, inkjet printers and outlook. The fact that you still think you can impose this narrow worldview on strangers enforces the point I've made at the end of my previous comment. You know, the one you ignored. You might want to sit down and think about this point alone. It may give you a hint why people like you are not helpful to the whole migration away from Microsoft. You are rather another reason why it's happening slower for some or not at all for others. Bye.

Krasnol 8y ago

Because here in reality Windows is still everywhere and it seems to stay for quite some time. So why not being happy that it's being improved? Also: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...

magduf 8y ago
These "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" articles are mostly BS, and just keep repeating the same, tired garbage arguments. I'll refute a few points: Notice that a lot of this one is about NVIDIA. The solution is simple: don't use it. Desktop Linux works great on Intel and AMD, where the driver support is excellent. NVIDIA isn't the only GPU vendor out there. Printers work much better in Linux than in Windows, and it's been this way for a very long time. The exception is cheap, crappy inkjets. Solution: don't use cheap, crappy inkjets. Inkjets are a scam. Games are always on this list. I don't care about games. Many of the other points in your list are completely obsolete. For business use, most of these factors are a non-issue. Being able to play AAA games is not important for a business computer, nor for many (most?) home computers. I know gamers can't conceive of this, but not everyone plays recent AAA video games.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  So to wrap this up, your solutions are: - spend more money - I don't care about it - something undefined is obsolete - ignoring that most business runs on MS products and compatibility issues are a thing This attitude is one reason that was not on the list. It's one that one should not forget though as it hits hard for those who are determined to make it work. They found themselves confronted by a self centered community of semi-gods who think the world should arrange around what they assume it is.
  - magduf 8y ago
    >- spend more money Nvidia isn't the cheapest option by far, so no, you should change this to "spend LESS money". If you're talking about printers (your post was poorly written and didn't refer to anything point-by-point), then yes, and also "spend more money to save money". Inkjet printers are a scam, full stop. They cost a LOT of money in consumables. You will save a lot of money by buying a laser printer instead. It's really that simple. And every laser printer works just fine in Linux. There is no good reason to buy a <$100 inkjet printer unless you really want to be ripped off. >- I don't care about it Yes, and lots of other people don't as well. If games are the only thing keeping you on Windows (and I've talked to a bunch of people for whom this is the case), then stop complaining about all the problems and spying in Windows: you're making a choice to enjoy a luxury, and put up with things you find abhorrent, just because of your addiction to games. I know this is news to a lot of younger techies, but not everyone cares about modern AAA games. I guess I shouldn't even bother writing this because apparently this concept is so utterly foreign to them, but it's true. There's large swathes of the computer-using population (which these days is most of the population) that don't buy or play video games, and haven't since they were kids. Amazing huh? So no, the fact that Linux can't play every single AAA game just isn't an issue to them. >- something undefined is obsolete I have no idea what you're referring to here, perhaps you could try being more descriptive. >- ignoring that most business runs on MS products and compatibility issues are a thing In my experience, all my work is in Linux, except for MS Office and Outlook, and companies are wasting a lot of money buying me a separate computer (or VMware licenses etc.) just so I can read email on Outlook.
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      > Nvidia isn't the cheapest option by far, That's not the point here. Usually people have problems with Linux and Nvidia because they already have Nvidia in their computer. So changing hardware for Linux to make it work properly involves spending more money. Same goes for peoples printers. And no it's not just about inkjet. This is about drivers and unforeseeable issues you face if you switch and I know what I'm talking about since I made my parents laptop switch over to Mint and been confronted with issues on their laser printer... > Yes, and lots of other people don't as well. If games are the only thing keeping you on Windows then stop complaining about all the problems and spying in Windows I'm not sure if you misread the thread here. The original argument was about someone complaining that people have "love for Microsoft". Nobody was complaining about anything you bring up there. > you're making a choice to enjoy a luxury, and put up with things you find abhorrent, just because of your addiction to games. So what you did here was to blow out a straw man to infinity. Who's talking about addictions? Not everybody who wants to play a game after work or from time to time is addicted. What is this generalizing overdramatization? > I have no idea what you're referring to here, perhaps you could try being more descriptive. I didn't know what you meant by obsolete. That's why I wrote that. If you don't know what's obsolete, it wouldn't be much of a surprise to me considering the way you crippled the other points above but it's still kinda weird. > In my experience, all my work is in Linux, except for MS Office and Outlook So I guess you just don't have much experience then. It's not just office and outlook. It's a endless amount of small programs in different regions of different businesses and hardware. There is a huge world out there beyond your narrow world view of addicted kids, inkjet printers and outlook. The fact that you still think you can impose this narrow worldview on strangers enforces the point I've made at the end of my previous comment. You know, the one you ignored. You might want to sit down and think about this point alone. It may give you a hint why people like you are not helpful to the whole migration away from Microsoft. You are rather another reason why it's happening slower for some or not at all for others. Bye.