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Yes. As far as I can tell. Google lost me the day they shut down Reader. There are plenty of alternatives as long as you're not forced by your job or a particul

Yes. As far as I can tell. Google lost me the day they shut down Reader. There are plenty of alternatives as long as you're not forced by your job or a particular client into using their services. One thing I'd still like to achieve is to find a permanent solution for avoiding communication with people who use Gmail. Strong-arming them into a new e-mail service is a non-starter.

tomglynch 8y ago
Interesting point, that any emails you send that are received via a gmail app can be monitored.
- mirkules 8y ago
  This is also true of other services. While Facebook is famous for its shadow profiles, equally (if not more) concerning are DNA ancestry services - effectively, if any of your relatives submit to these tests, your DNA can be easily matched even if you have never used their services.
muzani 8y ago
I'm surprised nobody has built a better email client by now. Gmail, as an enterprise solution, is quite expensive. I'd rather use any other service. An email service bundled with a calendar or to do list functionality could potentially be a billion dollae company.
- rakoo 8y ago
  There's a lot of very good email providers out there, many of which would please the HN crowd requirements. Are you talking about a pure email _client_, ie where emails are stored elsewhere? Where's the business in that ?
  - Ultramanoid 8y ago
    The issue is not whether there is an alternative or not. The issue is convincing someone who uses Gmail to stop using it, and change to another service.
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      The exercise is pointless, the equivalent to arguing about the most private pen for sending postcards.
      - Ultramanoid 8y ago
        More like two people having a conversation in the street, except one of them is screaming every word and you're just asking to please tone it down a bit, which is too much to ask for that person.
        Spooky23 8y ago
        In that scenario, the quiet guy doesn’t realize that there is a cable guy standing behind him listening as well.
        Ultramanoid 8y ago
        Mail is not that private, that is not the point being argued, and why I offered the street conversation example. From the moment you communicate with someone else, you've lost control over the information. But there's a huge difference between that, and having every word you write plus all the info that can be inferred from that, recorded, stored forever, analyzed and re-analyzed, sold, exploited, misused, etc, by a hostile unscrupulous advertising company or its partners.
        Spooky23 8y ago
        IMO, you’re probably better off with Google or to a lesser extent Microsoft, as their model is about selling ads based on your information, and hoarding your data for competitive advantage. I assume that your cellular carrier and cable company are monetizing any bit of data they can capture and selling it for pennies to all sorts of parties.
- duiker101 8y ago
  Almost every email provider I can think of has calendar functionality and some have todo lists. It's not that uncommon. Other than that thought, you risk going in the territory of companies that try to do too much and fail at having anything decent.

tomglynch 8y ago

Interesting point, that any emails you send that are received via a gmail app can be monitored.

mirkules 8y ago
This is also true of other services. While Facebook is famous for its shadow profiles, equally (if not more) concerning are DNA ancestry services - effectively, if any of your relatives submit to these tests, your DNA can be easily matched even if you have never used their services.

muzani 8y ago

I'm surprised nobody has built a better email client by now. Gmail, as an enterprise solution, is quite expensive. I'd rather use any other service. An email service bundled with a calendar or to do list functionality could potentially be a billion dollae company.

rakoo 8y ago
There's a lot of very good email providers out there, many of which would please the HN crowd requirements. Are you talking about a pure email _client_, ie where emails are stored elsewhere? Where's the business in that ?
- Ultramanoid 8y ago
  The issue is not whether there is an alternative or not. The issue is convincing someone who uses Gmail to stop using it, and change to another service.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    The exercise is pointless, the equivalent to arguing about the most private pen for sending postcards.
    - Ultramanoid 8y ago
      More like two people having a conversation in the street, except one of them is screaming every word and you're just asking to please tone it down a bit, which is too much to ask for that person.
      - Spooky23 8y ago
        In that scenario, the quiet guy doesn’t realize that there is a cable guy standing behind him listening as well.
        Ultramanoid 8y ago
        Mail is not that private, that is not the point being argued, and why I offered the street conversation example. From the moment you communicate with someone else, you've lost control over the information. But there's a huge difference between that, and having every word you write plus all the info that can be inferred from that, recorded, stored forever, analyzed and re-analyzed, sold, exploited, misused, etc, by a hostile unscrupulous advertising company or its partners.
        Spooky23 8y ago
        IMO, you’re probably better off with Google or to a lesser extent Microsoft, as their model is about selling ads based on your information, and hoarding your data for competitive advantage. I assume that your cellular carrier and cable company are monetizing any bit of data they can capture and selling it for pennies to all sorts of parties.
duiker101 8y ago
Almost every email provider I can think of has calendar functionality and some have todo lists. It's not that uncommon. Other than that thought, you risk going in the territory of companies that try to do too much and fail at having anything decent.