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My assumption was "starting from a post-graduate level in computer science, natural sciences or equivalent". By the way, I don't see how anyone could have more

My assumption was "starting from a post-graduate level in computer science, natural sciences or equivalent". By the way, I don't see how anyone could have more than a decade specifically in deep learning, considering that the field had started at around that time. On a flip side, TensorFlow 2.0 and AutoML are coming ;). And generic RL agents that do not require reward hacking are also on the horizon. Who cares, if a researcher spend 10000 hours reading articles AND 10000 hours building products, if a more general algorithm obsoletes it all ;)

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
> “My assumption was "starting from a post-graduate level in computer science, natural sciences or equivalent".” Yes, same for me. This builds in nearly a decade of preparatory work into the timeline... so it seems we agree. > “On a flip side, TensorFlow 2.0 and AutoML are coming ;). And generic RL agents that do not require reward hacking are also on the horizon.” I work professionally in deep learning for image processing. This quote reads like parody to me. I cannot imagine anyone familiar with the realities of AutoML or deep reinforcement learning talking this way. It’s like an excerpt from the script of Silicon Valley.
- dchichkov 8y ago
  Have you used AutoML in practice for DNN architecture search?
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    Yes, I have used AutoKeras in practice, with mixed results. I have also written in-house hyperparameter search tooling to spread parametric architecture search in a distributed training environment with about the same mixed success. I have done this for both large-scale image processing networks and natural language processing networks. Using AutoML in practice is beyond foolish, given the pricing, except for a really small minority of customers. Let alone that neural architecture search is not a silver bullet and frequently is totally not helpful for model selection (for example, say your trade-off space involves severe penalty on runtime and you have a constraint that your deployed runtime system must be CPU-only.. you may trade performance for the sake of reducing convolutional layers, in a super ad hoc business-driven way that does not translate to any type of objective function for NAS libraries to optimize... one of the most important production systems I currently work on has exactly this type of constraint).
    - dchichkov 8y ago
      Interesting. I agree, it is not trivial to estimate the runtime of the model on a target device. I wonder how Google does it. They've been boasting about precisely this ability - to optimize for architecture under constraints of precision AND runtime for a target device. And then, claiming that they've been able to get an architecture better than one optimized by a team of engineers over a few years.
      - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
        It’s all hype coming out of Google. Most of this stuff is meant for foisting overpriced solutions onto unwitting GCP customers who get burnt by vendor lock-in and don’t have enough in-house expertise to vet claims about e.g. overpriced TPUs or overpriced AutoML.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

> “My assumption was "starting from a post-graduate level in computer science, natural sciences or equivalent".” Yes, same for me. This builds in nearly a decade of preparatory work into the timeline... so it seems we agree. > “On a flip side, TensorFlow 2.0 and AutoML are coming ;). And generic RL agents that do not require reward hacking are also on the horizon.” I work professionally in deep learning for image processing. This quote reads like parody to me. I cannot imagine anyone familiar with the realities of AutoML or deep reinforcement learning talking this way. It’s like an excerpt from the script of Silicon Valley.

dchichkov 8y ago
Have you used AutoML in practice for DNN architecture search?
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  Yes, I have used AutoKeras in practice, with mixed results. I have also written in-house hyperparameter search tooling to spread parametric architecture search in a distributed training environment with about the same mixed success. I have done this for both large-scale image processing networks and natural language processing networks. Using AutoML in practice is beyond foolish, given the pricing, except for a really small minority of customers. Let alone that neural architecture search is not a silver bullet and frequently is totally not helpful for model selection (for example, say your trade-off space involves severe penalty on runtime and you have a constraint that your deployed runtime system must be CPU-only.. you may trade performance for the sake of reducing convolutional layers, in a super ad hoc business-driven way that does not translate to any type of objective function for NAS libraries to optimize... one of the most important production systems I currently work on has exactly this type of constraint).
  - dchichkov 8y ago
    Interesting. I agree, it is not trivial to estimate the runtime of the model on a target device. I wonder how Google does it. They've been boasting about precisely this ability - to optimize for architecture under constraints of precision AND runtime for a target device. And then, claiming that they've been able to get an architecture better than one optimized by a team of engineers over a few years.
    - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
      It’s all hype coming out of Google. Most of this stuff is meant for foisting overpriced solutions onto unwitting GCP customers who get burnt by vendor lock-in and don’t have enough in-house expertise to vet claims about e.g. overpriced TPUs or overpriced AutoML.