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> I suppose if you are a part of a larger organization, you can post several spotters around every voting station. But that will increase the chance of them bei

> I suppose if you are a part of a larger organization, you can post several spotters around every voting station. But that will increase the chance of them being spotted and spoofed by the police. It's easy enough to deploy spotters without being found out. Just deploy spotters as exit pollers, they're already part of any modern election :)

runarberg 8y ago
Exit polls are not done everywhere, and in some countries they are even illegal. Just make soliciting around poll stations is illegal and the problem is solved.
- pedrocr 8y ago
  Eliminating exit polls seems like a really bad idea. They're one of the only ways to validate an election system that doesn't depend on the system itself. When you have wild discrepancies, particularly in some precincts, you know to investigate. And it seems you'd want that particularly when you've implemented a complex electronic voting system. And thinking about it some more the Estonian system seems perfect for vote selling. You just provide your ID card and PIN in the last day of early voting and get it back the day after the election. The buyer can vote in your name and hold your ID card to make sure you can't vote in the booth.
  - runarberg 8y ago
    You might be right about the exit polls. Perhaps this can only be applied in countries that have strong independent monitors (which Estonia should have being an EU member). Regarding vote selling, I don’t know how it is in Estonia, but in Iceland voter ID is pretty lax. You can provide an ID in the form of passport, drivers license, bank issued debit cards, etc. As a buyer I have no way of knowing if I'm witholding all possible IDs from my agent since they might have several debit cards from several banks, more then one passport (through dual-citizenship), etc.
  - k0htlane 8y ago
    It should be noted that ID+PIN is not just for the elections: it covers all of the e-services from online health records to online banking, also including digitally signing documents in your name. So I would assume that people wouldn't trust their ID+PIN to strangers.

runarberg 8y ago

Exit polls are not done everywhere, and in some countries they are even illegal. Just make soliciting around poll stations is illegal and the problem is solved.

pedrocr 8y ago
Eliminating exit polls seems like a really bad idea. They're one of the only ways to validate an election system that doesn't depend on the system itself. When you have wild discrepancies, particularly in some precincts, you know to investigate. And it seems you'd want that particularly when you've implemented a complex electronic voting system. And thinking about it some more the Estonian system seems perfect for vote selling. You just provide your ID card and PIN in the last day of early voting and get it back the day after the election. The buyer can vote in your name and hold your ID card to make sure you can't vote in the booth.
- runarberg 8y ago
  You might be right about the exit polls. Perhaps this can only be applied in countries that have strong independent monitors (which Estonia should have being an EU member). Regarding vote selling, I don’t know how it is in Estonia, but in Iceland voter ID is pretty lax. You can provide an ID in the form of passport, drivers license, bank issued debit cards, etc. As a buyer I have no way of knowing if I'm witholding all possible IDs from my agent since they might have several debit cards from several banks, more then one passport (through dual-citizenship), etc.
- k0htlane 8y ago
  It should be noted that ID+PIN is not just for the elections: it covers all of the e-services from online health records to online banking, also including digitally signing documents in your name. So I would assume that people wouldn't trust their ID+PIN to strangers.