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I think I read in another study they are just moving to Instagram.

dclusin 8y ago
Seconded. It's not obvious from TFA if they are treating whatsapp or instagram as distinct or included. Color me skeptical. Maybe someone with access can chime in more on their methodology.
- yorwba 8y ago
  You don't need any special access to see graphs also including Instagram usage: http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Infinite-Dial-2019-PDF-1.pdf http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Inf... In the age group 12-34, Facebook dropped from 79% usage in 2017 to 62% in 2019 while Instagram increased from 64% to 66% over the same period, so at least some former Facebook users didn't just migrate to Instagram. They don't have data for WhatsApp before 2019 (23%), so it's still possible that the total number of users in that age bracket actually increased when you pool all of Facebook's properties.
mooman219 8y ago
I feel like Instagram captivates an audience looking for a more distilled experience for sharing moments, so that crowd leaves Facebook behind.
cooooooffffeeee 8y ago
Which makes at least a little sense. Instagram makes it fairly difficult to share/reshare garbage (though it's gotten a bit worse lately) and encourages people to create their own garbage.
krn 8y ago
We need to separate Facebook as a product from Facebook as a company. People are largely leaving Facebook as a product, because they simply don't find it as useful or novel as it once was to them. And in many ways Instagram is now a bit what Facebook used to be in its early days: personal and with very little noise. Therefore, Facebook as a company isn't failing. Facebook as a product is.
- nkozyra 8y ago
  Except you could argue what makes something personal and noiseless also makes it less profitable as an advertising platform.
  - krn 8y ago
    That's a good point, and it's probably the main reason why Facebook wants to integrate the infrastructure of all of its platforms, possibly sharing the users and ads between Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, and WhatsApp[1]. What else there is to do, when the most profitable product of the company has the slowest growth rate of all. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18997923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18997923
j79 8y ago
You are correct. From their study, they show that while Facebook dropped, Instagram increased (34, 36, and 39% from 2017 - 2019, respectively). WhatsApp doesn't have tracking data for 2017/18, but 2019 shows it at 18%. Here's their downloadable presentation with additional info: http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Infinite-Dial-2019-PDF-1.pdf http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Inf...
- graeme 8y ago
  Am seeing early signs of an instagram decrease. People are deleting their accounts, posting less, and unfollowing people. I think the switch to stories had an impact. Positive at first, but negative indirectly, as it introduced the “mute” mechanism. At first you could just do this with stories, but now you can mute someone’s posts while still “following” them. Before, on instagram, if someone followed you, you really knew they followed you. So people sort of self-policed their posts, as they knew they’d get unfollowed if they were excessive. And there was a lot of engagement on posts, because 100% of followers saw it. But now you can follow but not follow. So on the one hand some people are pushing more posts, on the other hand you have a lot of non-genuine followers. This discourages posting. I have more followers but fewer likes than before, and I also follow more people and see less. The platform feels more hollow than it used to, in the same way facebook does.
  - fumar 8y ago
    I left Instagram for 8 months. I came back last month and noticed every 3 or 4 posts is now an ad. That was not the case when I stopped using it. As ads increase the hallow feeling increases. This is the same as visiting a blog or site with zero ads vs the extreme of visiting a site with ads in every nook and cranny. I am not against ads but there should be a conservative approach to embedding paid messaging. Also similar to FB, the instagram algorithm is always changing. The fact that your feed is less real-time removes part of the essence of instagram. I liked knowing that my feed was a 1:1 connection to the real world. Now it is less that and more a collection of posts from the people I follow. One of my core ideas around young folks leaving facebook is for the same exact reason. When you are in grade school, life moments occur everyday and sometimes within a few hours. Think of nailing your first skateboard trick, joining bands, or making the varsity team, etc. Those are all potential posts on any social channel. If you are the consumer of those posts, assuming the same age as the poster, you want to see them in a real-life sequence. It would feel fake or hollow to see the posts (that happened in your school, maybe at your game) contextualized against ads or in a wrong order.

Seconded. It's not obvious from TFA if they are treating whatsapp or instagram as distinct or included. Color me skeptical. Maybe someone with access can chime in more on their methodology.

yorwba 8y ago
You don't need any special access to see graphs also including Instagram usage: http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Infinite-Dial-2019-PDF-1.pdf http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Inf... In the age group 12-34, Facebook dropped from 79% usage in 2017 to 62% in 2019 while Instagram increased from 64% to 66% over the same period, so at least some former Facebook users didn't just migrate to Instagram. They don't have data for WhatsApp before 2019 (23%), so it's still possible that the total number of users in that age bracket actually increased when you pool all of Facebook's properties.

mooman219 8y ago

I feel like Instagram captivates an audience looking for a more distilled experience for sharing moments, so that crowd leaves Facebook behind.

cooooooffffeeee 8y ago

Which makes at least a little sense. Instagram makes it fairly difficult to share/reshare garbage (though it's gotten a bit worse lately) and encourages people to create their own garbage.

krn 8y ago

We need to separate Facebook as a product from Facebook as a company. People are largely leaving Facebook as a product, because they simply don't find it as useful or novel as it once was to them. And in many ways Instagram is now a bit what Facebook used to be in its early days: personal and with very little noise. Therefore, Facebook as a company isn't failing. Facebook as a product is.

nkozyra 8y ago
Except you could argue what makes something personal and noiseless also makes it less profitable as an advertising platform.
- krn 8y ago
  That's a good point, and it's probably the main reason why Facebook wants to integrate the infrastructure of all of its platforms, possibly sharing the users and ads between Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, and WhatsApp[1]. What else there is to do, when the most profitable product of the company has the slowest growth rate of all. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18997923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18997923

j79 8y ago

You are correct. From their study, they show that while Facebook dropped, Instagram increased (34, 36, and 39% from 2017 - 2019, respectively). WhatsApp doesn't have tracking data for 2017/18, but 2019 shows it at 18%. Here's their downloadable presentation with additional info: http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Infinite-Dial-2019-PDF-1.pdf http://www.edisonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Inf...

graeme 8y ago
Am seeing early signs of an instagram decrease. People are deleting their accounts, posting less, and unfollowing people. I think the switch to stories had an impact. Positive at first, but negative indirectly, as it introduced the “mute” mechanism. At first you could just do this with stories, but now you can mute someone’s posts while still “following” them. Before, on instagram, if someone followed you, you really knew they followed you. So people sort of self-policed their posts, as they knew they’d get unfollowed if they were excessive. And there was a lot of engagement on posts, because 100% of followers saw it. But now you can follow but not follow. So on the one hand some people are pushing more posts, on the other hand you have a lot of non-genuine followers. This discourages posting. I have more followers but fewer likes than before, and I also follow more people and see less. The platform feels more hollow than it used to, in the same way facebook does.
- fumar 8y ago
  I left Instagram for 8 months. I came back last month and noticed every 3 or 4 posts is now an ad. That was not the case when I stopped using it. As ads increase the hallow feeling increases. This is the same as visiting a blog or site with zero ads vs the extreme of visiting a site with ads in every nook and cranny. I am not against ads but there should be a conservative approach to embedding paid messaging. Also similar to FB, the instagram algorithm is always changing. The fact that your feed is less real-time removes part of the essence of instagram. I liked knowing that my feed was a 1:1 connection to the real world. Now it is less that and more a collection of posts from the people I follow. One of my core ideas around young folks leaving facebook is for the same exact reason. When you are in grade school, life moments occur everyday and sometimes within a few hours. Think of nailing your first skateboard trick, joining bands, or making the varsity team, etc. Those are all potential posts on any social channel. If you are the consumer of those posts, assuming the same age as the poster, you want to see them in a real-life sequence. It would feel fake or hollow to see the posts (that happened in your school, maybe at your game) contextualized against ads or in a wrong order.