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Well, it's now approximately 11 years since the infamous "Tesla Death Watch" series of blogposts. 11 years of constant "turmoil", "cash flow problems", "near ba

Well, it's now approximately 11 years since the infamous "Tesla Death Watch" series of blogposts. 11 years of constant "turmoil", "cash flow problems", "near bankruptcy", "Musk needs to quit", etc, etc, etc. Through these 11 years, they've gone from shipping a few hundred cars/year to hundreds of thousands of cars per year which are whole generation ahead of anything any other car manufacturer has been able to put out. Have you considered that maybe they're actually on a roll and doing just fine and this is mostly just tiresome media noise?

thisacctforreal 8y ago
Would love links to 11 year articles out of curiosity.
- leesec 8y ago
  https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/05/tesla-death-watch-tesla-hasnt-produced-any-real-cars-yet-broke-their-promise-on-starting-production-again-and-dont-plan-to-build-any-cars-for-another-year/ https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/05/tesla-death-watch-...
  - Theodores 8y ago
    That brings back memories. Haven't read anything there for a while. The TTAC death watch is here: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=thetruthaboutcars https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=thetruth... For comparison: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=tesla https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=tesla
FireBeyond 8y ago
Yes, there's a lot of media noise, tiresome or otherwise. BUT: 1) TESLA, not the media, were the ones they said they were closing ALL their retail stores, _a week ago_ - is this not newsworthy? and 2) TESLA, not the media, were the ones who said they're now NOT closing retail stores open, _a week later_ - is this also not newsworthy? If so, what makes them so trivial?
- hndamien 8y ago
  This is why they don't need to pay for marketing.
- pooya13 8y ago
  Newsworthy, yes. But by no means a sign of turmoil or an indication that Elon Musk should step down. It is obvious that there is a media bias here when they negatively cover stories that should be positive or neutral. E.g. when Tesla announced the 35k model 3 or when they announced the long scheduled model Y unavailing, critics portray these as desperate attempts when they would previously say Tesla would never be able to achieve these goals.
- m463 8y ago
  They're the WORST electric car company (except for all the rest)
- kamaal 8y ago
  You can always opt to not discuss anything about them. But the fact that you wrote this very comment tell us you want to. So what really is there to complain about their PR strategy?
docker_up 8y ago
I'm a fan of Elon Musk's. I wasn't concerned until his tweets started going off the rails, when he started tweeting about Tesla going bankrupt, etc. I think his behavior is a legitimate concern.
- pooya13 8y ago
  When did he tweet about Tesla going bankrupt?
justapassenger 8y ago
"cars [...] which are whole generation ahead of anything any other car manufacturer has been able to put out" Needs citation.
xkjkls 8y ago
There's very few companies that the SEC requests a judge find the CEO in contempt of an official agreement that can't be described as "in turmoil".

thisacctforreal 8y ago

Would love links to 11 year articles out of curiosity.

leesec 8y ago
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/05/tesla-death-watch-tesla-hasnt-produced-any-real-cars-yet-broke-their-promise-on-starting-production-again-and-dont-plan-to-build-any-cars-for-another-year/ https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/05/tesla-death-watch-...
- Theodores 8y ago
  That brings back memories. Haven't read anything there for a while. The TTAC death watch is here: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=thetruthaboutcars https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=thetruth... For comparison: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=tesla https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=tesla

FireBeyond 8y ago

Yes, there's a lot of media noise, tiresome or otherwise. BUT: 1) TESLA, not the media, were the ones they said they were closing ALL their retail stores, _a week ago_ - is this not newsworthy? and 2) TESLA, not the media, were the ones who said they're now NOT closing retail stores open, _a week later_ - is this also not newsworthy? If so, what makes them so trivial?

hndamien 8y ago
This is why they don't need to pay for marketing.
pooya13 8y ago
Newsworthy, yes. But by no means a sign of turmoil or an indication that Elon Musk should step down. It is obvious that there is a media bias here when they negatively cover stories that should be positive or neutral. E.g. when Tesla announced the 35k model 3 or when they announced the long scheduled model Y unavailing, critics portray these as desperate attempts when they would previously say Tesla would never be able to achieve these goals.
m463 8y ago
They're the WORST electric car company (except for all the rest)
kamaal 8y ago
You can always opt to not discuss anything about them. But the fact that you wrote this very comment tell us you want to. So what really is there to complain about their PR strategy?

docker_up 8y ago

I'm a fan of Elon Musk's. I wasn't concerned until his tweets started going off the rails, when he started tweeting about Tesla going bankrupt, etc. I think his behavior is a legitimate concern.

pooya13 8y ago
When did he tweet about Tesla going bankrupt?

justapassenger 8y ago

"cars [...] which are whole generation ahead of anything any other car manufacturer has been able to put out" Needs citation.

xkjkls 8y ago

There's very few companies that the SEC requests a judge find the CEO in contempt of an official agreement that can't be described as "in turmoil".