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But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except you have to manually resize your windows on each workspace. Sway just does it for me

But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except you have to manually resize your windows on each workspace. Sway just does it for me and I can save the layouts.

oblio 8y ago
> But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except for the fact that our workflows are completely different. Is it so hard to accept that there are different ways of using a computer and your perceived increase in efficiency might not pan out for everyone? :)
- ilovecaching 8y ago
  I don't accept that it isn't immediately obvious that tiling is more efficient than dragging to maximize real estate on a single workspace. If someone wants to use an inferior method because that's what they are comfortable with that is fine. Just don't assert that the two are equal without some reasoned argument.
  - oblio 8y ago
    I wasn't actually the original poster :) The thing is, we have studies that prove that mouse + keyboard interaction is faster than keyboard-only https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html - until you become super proficient with all the relevant the keyboard shortcuts. So it's not about "inferior"/"superior", it's about your use case.
    - kstenerud 8y ago
      Another thing to consider: Even if there were a significant difference one way or the other, it's rare to spend more than 1% of your time arranging your workspace and switching views & windows, so any optimization of that 1% will have minimal effect on your productivity.
    - craigsmansion 8y ago
      > The thing is, we have studies that prove "Originally published in the AppleDirect, August, 1989"
      - oblio 8y ago
        So? Do you think that users have changed so much in these past 30 years? If anything, things have regressed in some regards, as kids these days start directly with touch interface, single user, single application/windows OSes, basically, smartphone OSes (I know that technically mobile OSes are not like that anymore, but that's how they're used 99,999% of the time).
  - ubercow13 8y ago
    Some windows are more efficient to use when they are a certain size or shape, such as where text is made to wrap at a comfortable width for reading. Efficiency of screen pixel usage isn't the only factor affecting efficiency of the interface in practice.
    - ilovecaching 8y ago
      You can resize, tab, and float windows in sway. You can also scale individual applications. There's nothing you can do with dragging that you can't do in sway faster with less presses and with saner defaults.
      - ubercow13 8y ago
        You can scale applications independently when they are floating. But that will affect the layout of other tiled windows on the same screen, as they will tile behind the floating window. So you would need to float everything. In that case it is not being a tiling WM

But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except you have to manually resize your windows on each workspace. Sway just does it for me and I can save the layouts.

oblio 8y ago

> But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except for the fact that our workflows are completely different. Is it so hard to accept that there are different ways of using a computer and your perceived increase in efficiency might not pan out for everyone? :)

ilovecaching 8y ago
I don't accept that it isn't immediately obvious that tiling is more efficient than dragging to maximize real estate on a single workspace. If someone wants to use an inferior method because that's what they are comfortable with that is fine. Just don't assert that the two are equal without some reasoned argument.
- oblio 8y ago
  I wasn't actually the original poster :) The thing is, we have studies that prove that mouse + keyboard interaction is faster than keyboard-only https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html - until you become super proficient with all the relevant the keyboard shortcuts. So it's not about "inferior"/"superior", it's about your use case.
  - kstenerud 8y ago
    Another thing to consider: Even if there were a significant difference one way or the other, it's rare to spend more than 1% of your time arranging your workspace and switching views & windows, so any optimization of that 1% will have minimal effect on your productivity.
  - craigsmansion 8y ago
    > The thing is, we have studies that prove "Originally published in the AppleDirect, August, 1989"
    - oblio 8y ago
      So? Do you think that users have changed so much in these past 30 years? If anything, things have regressed in some regards, as kids these days start directly with touch interface, single user, single application/windows OSes, basically, smartphone OSes (I know that technically mobile OSes are not like that anymore, but that's how they're used 99,999% of the time).
- ubercow13 8y ago
  Some windows are more efficient to use when they are a certain size or shape, such as where text is made to wrap at a comfortable width for reading. Efficiency of screen pixel usage isn't the only factor affecting efficiency of the interface in practice.
  - ilovecaching 8y ago
    You can resize, tab, and float windows in sway. You can also scale individual applications. There's nothing you can do with dragging that you can't do in sway faster with less presses and with saner defaults.
    - ubercow13 8y ago
      You can scale applications independently when they are floating. But that will affect the layout of other tiled windows on the same screen, as they will tile behind the floating window. So you would need to float everything. In that case it is not being a tiling WM