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For a long time Xorg/i3 user, are there visible improvements when switching to Wayland/sway?

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
It'll be noticably snappier. https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3
- mediocrejoker 8y ago
  Do people experience noticeable lag on i3 on modern hardware?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
    It's more of a problem with Xorg, which does not do things atomically - leading to tearing and other problems which are absent on Sway. We also work at a level where we can orchestrate atomic updates of your entire layout as many windows are affected by a single update.
  - tarruda 8y ago
    Maybe not lag, but I've experienced screen tearing with some drivers, though it completely went away when I started using glamor: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/
- mario0b1 8y ago
  Does "everything else" work with wayland? Like is the compositor the only thing I need to get most applications running without too much hassle? Disclaimer: I haven't read up anything on wayland and don't know too much about how X or it's mechanics work
  - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
    Yep, most applications should Just Werk.
  - lapinot 8y ago
    sway comes with xwayland configured, which makes it zero-effort to run X-only software (eg software that doesn't use a wayland-enabled gui library like gtk3, qt5, sdl2...). The only pain will be if you have a hidpi screen, since xwayland will scale a non-hipdi rendered X window instead of passing down the scaling factor to X (which apparently is tricky). I'm in that case and what caused me the most hassle was firefox, but there is an experimental wayland branch (for which fedora provides prebuilt binaries) which i'm running smoothly.
    - deevus 8y ago
      Still don't see Sway 1.0 in Fedora repo though :(
  - erik_seaberg 8y ago
    Every app still needs to support X, because Wayland doesn't have remoting. I'd love to be wrong about this.
kentt 8y ago
> Sway includes the features of the i3-gaps patches What is this about? The look of i3-gaps is extremely undesirable to me. Is it easy to avoid the look of i3-gaps?
- Gigamo 8y ago
  There are no gaps in the default configuration regardless. You would have to manually specify them. However, the i3-gaps fork contains more features than just gaps themselves.
nambit 8y ago
If you're using Nvidia graphics cards, they do not support proprietary nvidia drivers btw.

It'll be noticably snappier. https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3

mediocrejoker 8y ago
Do people experience noticeable lag on i3 on modern hardware?
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  It's more of a problem with Xorg, which does not do things atomically - leading to tearing and other problems which are absent on Sway. We also work at a level where we can orchestrate atomic updates of your entire layout as many windows are affected by a single update.
- tarruda 8y ago
  Maybe not lag, but I've experienced screen tearing with some drivers, though it completely went away when I started using glamor: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/
mario0b1 8y ago
Does "everything else" work with wayland? Like is the compositor the only thing I need to get most applications running without too much hassle? Disclaimer: I haven't read up anything on wayland and don't know too much about how X or it's mechanics work
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  Yep, most applications should Just Werk.
- lapinot 8y ago
  sway comes with xwayland configured, which makes it zero-effort to run X-only software (eg software that doesn't use a wayland-enabled gui library like gtk3, qt5, sdl2...). The only pain will be if you have a hidpi screen, since xwayland will scale a non-hipdi rendered X window instead of passing down the scaling factor to X (which apparently is tricky). I'm in that case and what caused me the most hassle was firefox, but there is an experimental wayland branch (for which fedora provides prebuilt binaries) which i'm running smoothly.
  - deevus 8y ago
    Still don't see Sway 1.0 in Fedora repo though :(
- erik_seaberg 8y ago
  Every app still needs to support X, because Wayland doesn't have remoting. I'd love to be wrong about this.

kentt 8y ago

> Sway includes the features of the i3-gaps patches What is this about? The look of i3-gaps is extremely undesirable to me. Is it easy to avoid the look of i3-gaps?

Gigamo 8y ago
There are no gaps in the default configuration regardless. You would have to manually specify them. However, the i3-gaps fork contains more features than just gaps themselves.

nambit 8y ago

If you're using Nvidia graphics cards, they do not support proprietary nvidia drivers btw.