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These statistics exist and have been reconfirmed many times. For the last 10 years healthcare has been #1 burnt out. IT following up very closely. In the last

These statistics exist and have been reconfirmed many times. For the last 10 years healthcare has been #1 burnt out. IT following up very closely. In the last 1-2 years IT has been showing up as #1 in the studies done. Up around ~65%. Major corps like Nvidia and Cisco being worse yet. ER was something like 90%. Nursing was 40%. Over 1/3 of healthcare has been diagnosed with depression. Whereas industries like Education is below 15%, hotels are below 10%. It's not literally all workers. In fact there's a negative relationship with burnout and unions. The unions make sure you're not being overworked. Teachers in Canada for example have below 5% burnout. The union is immensely strong. They get paid $140,000/year. They work 5 hour days and only 8 months a year. Their 'boss' the principal can't actually just show up and make sure they are working. That's not allowed. Basically no accountability as a teacher.

pickle-wizard 8y ago
I was prepared to call bullshit on the Canadian teacher salary, but I just googled it. My 30 second Google search showed the average salary in Alberta is right at $100K. So I could see $140 happening for the more senior people. Maybe I need to move to Canada.
- richardhod 8y ago
  Do remember that this is probably in Canadian $, so slightly less than you would assume. (today's rate: USD 1 = CAN 1.34)
- ZeroFries 8y ago
  The problem is salaries are usually highly regulated, so you get capped pretty quick, and it's usually based on your degrees rather than your job performance.
ZeroFries 8y ago
Who's making $140k as a teacher?
Diederich 8y ago
> [Burnout]: In the last 1-2 years IT has been showing up as #1 in the studies done. Up around ~65%. Major corps like Nvidia and Cisco being worse yet. I've read all of your comments here with great interest, thank you for sharing all of that. In what follows, I'm not doubting or challenging what you said. It's just that my professional experience has been really different. I've been getting paid to do what I guess is called 'IT' since 1993. The first few years, it was extremely broad work, everything from installing new desktops (Windows 95 Beta!) to writing web apps to installing and configuring Cisco routers. Starting in the late 1990s, my work focused on and has pretty much remained on what is now called devops or SRE. Working with apps teams and writing code to automate all the things. I have worked at a > $250billion USD (revenue) company, and a 35 person startup, and a big tech company based in Germany (from California), and two different companies in the 'FAANG' group, and several in between. I not only have, overall, really enjoyed my work, but most of the people I worked with have as well. Not perfect; lots of different kinds of bullshit, and many frustrations. More objectively, I've never seen a lot of turnover. So...a question: is the 'IT' you've been in fundamentally different than the 'IT' I've been in? Thanks!
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>In fact there's a negative relationship with burnout and unions. Or people feel locked into union workplaces because they don't want to give up their seniority and the benefits that come with it. "I hate my job but I have X more years until I've worked here Y years and my pension jumps to Z% of my pay" may as well be the official motto of the state employees union (in my state at least). They may be burned out but they keep their jobs because the cost of actually quitting is higher.
jonawesomegreen 8y ago
Here is data from Stascan (official government source) about teacher salaries for 2016/2017 broken down by province, which is important. Much like states in the US each province is different. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/81-604-x/2018001/t/tblc.3.1b-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/81-604-x/2018001/t/tblc.... One of the stronger public teachers unions is in Ontario. For Ontario the pay starts out at $51,904 and tops out at $95,794, which is some distance from $140,000. The best for teachers is Northwest Territories, likely teaching in remote fly in/out communities. Teachers in NWT start at $78,600 and top out at $111,883. Weighted averages for all of Canada based on the number of educators getting the salary gives a pay scale from: $53,163 - $88,746

pickle-wizard 8y ago

I was prepared to call bullshit on the Canadian teacher salary, but I just googled it. My 30 second Google search showed the average salary in Alberta is right at $100K. So I could see $140 happening for the more senior people. Maybe I need to move to Canada.

richardhod 8y ago
Do remember that this is probably in Canadian $, so slightly less than you would assume. (today's rate: USD 1 = CAN 1.34)
ZeroFries 8y ago
The problem is salaries are usually highly regulated, so you get capped pretty quick, and it's usually based on your degrees rather than your job performance.

ZeroFries 8y ago

Who's making $140k as a teacher?

Diederich 8y ago

> [Burnout]: In the last 1-2 years IT has been showing up as #1 in the studies done. Up around ~65%. Major corps like Nvidia and Cisco being worse yet. I've read all of your comments here with great interest, thank you for sharing all of that. In what follows, I'm not doubting or challenging what you said. It's just that my professional experience has been really different. I've been getting paid to do what I guess is called 'IT' since 1993. The first few years, it was extremely broad work, everything from installing new desktops (Windows 95 Beta!) to writing web apps to installing and configuring Cisco routers. Starting in the late 1990s, my work focused on and has pretty much remained on what is now called devops or SRE. Working with apps teams and writing code to automate all the things. I have worked at a > $250billion USD (revenue) company, and a 35 person startup, and a big tech company based in Germany (from California), and two different companies in the 'FAANG' group, and several in between. I not only have, overall, really enjoyed my work, but most of the people I worked with have as well. Not perfect; lots of different kinds of bullshit, and many frustrations. More objectively, I've never seen a lot of turnover. So...a question: is the 'IT' you've been in fundamentally different than the 'IT' I've been in? Thanks!

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

>In fact there's a negative relationship with burnout and unions. Or people feel locked into union workplaces because they don't want to give up their seniority and the benefits that come with it. "I hate my job but I have X more years until I've worked here Y years and my pension jumps to Z% of my pay" may as well be the official motto of the state employees union (in my state at least). They may be burned out but they keep their jobs because the cost of actually quitting is higher.

jonawesomegreen 8y ago

Here is data from Stascan (official government source) about teacher salaries for 2016/2017 broken down by province, which is important. Much like states in the US each province is different. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/81-604-x/2018001/t/tblc.3.1b-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/81-604-x/2018001/t/tblc.... One of the stronger public teachers unions is in Ontario. For Ontario the pay starts out at $51,904 and tops out at $95,794, which is some distance from $140,000. The best for teachers is Northwest Territories, likely teaching in remote fly in/out communities. Teachers in NWT start at $78,600 and top out at $111,883. Weighted averages for all of Canada based on the number of educators getting the salary gives a pay scale from: $53,163 - $88,746