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> Vote buying is not a serious problem It's not a problem because there is too much "friction". Vote buying is already not impossible but way too hard to esta
by usrusr 8y ago
> Vote buying is not a serious problem
It's not a problem because there is too much "friction". Vote buying is already not impossible but way too hard to establish itself. When it becomes gradually easier it still won't be a problem, because it is still not yet established. So you allow even more changes that make it easier, because it's not a problem yet. Call it a slippery slope argument all you like, but there is a crazy amount of inertia in the absence of vote buying that is protecting democracy now, but that will turn against us once it is overcome. When barriers are lowered so far that the inertia is overcome, the same inertia will make it incredibly hard to get rid of vote buying again. Keeping honest people honest is orders of magnitude easier than making them if they are not. I would not want to risk it without a promises of truly significant gains and I just don't see those with e-voting.
But vote buying is not even the problem I would focus on. Much more pressing is the form of soft coercion that is enabled by allowing voting in what I would call "unchecked privacy": imagine you are part of a group where everybody assumes that all would vote the same. There is a documented tendency (proudly showing off your ballot on Twitter) to scrap vote secrecy in favor of virtue signaling for "the cause", whatever cause that might be. As soon as there is a group with supposedly aligned opinions, the true believers will tend to erode secrecy and establish an expectation that the others follow. Maybe your spouse won't beat you, maybe your friends won't shun you for insisting on voting in secret, but the easy path is to just go with the flow and play along. "What difference does a single vote make?" Optional secrecy is a serious weakness to the democratic process.
- darawk 8y agoAll of those things are possible now, yet they don't happen. I see no reason to think electronic voting would make it more likely. And in fact, we have a test case: Estonia. Is there any evidence of any of this happening there?
- jakeogh 8y agoBy definition, electronic voting is easier to game. Simple example: you just asked for evidence on a procedure that didnt have a physical paper trail.
- darawk 8y agoI asked for evidence of a specific phenomenon. The specific phenomenon I requested evidence of would be no easier to have evidence for in the electronic or paper case.
- jakeogh 8y agoIt takes much less energy and time to modify something electronically. Once physical items are required to be collected, edited or destroyed then evidence becomes significantly more durable.
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