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China is a one party state which explicitly doesn't permit any organization, much less a government agency, to operate without political interference.

by s17n 8y ago

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chrischen 8y ago
America is a two party state... so what? My point is if your mind is closed to looking at their actions at an objective level, there is no point arguing against your position, since it is that China is inherently evil, and is incapable of good actions. Question is, what if you’re wrong? What if one party is better than two, or four, or 8? And if you can’t consider that possibility, are you any more open than China’s politically oppressive one-party system?
- refurb 8y ago
  There is massive gorge between a one party state and a two party state. Stop trying Arthur they are the same.
  - chrischen 8y ago
    As I’m sure there is a massive difference between a two party state and a n-party state (or even senate/house). We all think our own systems are the best...
- anticensor 8y ago
  > America is a two party state. US are a multi-party state with two dominant parties. There are many unrepresented legal political parties.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > US is a multi-party state with two dominant parties. The US federal government is a two-party system with some non-party representation; not only is a multi-party system is defined by having multiple represented parties, but the US has a number of government systems set up whose structure is fundamentally predicated on their only being two parties that matter, and both the major parties observe that structure even when they have the political opportunity to gain immediate advantage by exploiting the huge loopholes that this opens in theory; e.g., a party could pack the so-called “independent” government commissions whose members are Presidentially appointed with a limit of a bare majority (3 on 5-member commissions) from a single party by appointing friendly independents or members of ideologically-aligned minor parties, but even when the President’s party controls the Senate and so shutting the opposing party out completely would not provoke confirmation battles that might be lost, the form of duopoly is strictly adhered to. It's clear that functionally, everything outside or the major parties is decorative and non-functional; even the independents in office functionally are tied to one or the other of the major parties (whichever they caucus with).
- s17n 8y ago
  The US has an independent judiciary, and regulatory agencies which are fairly insulated from political pressure. I'm not saying that China is evil, I'm just saying that there is a reason why the international community doesn't take anything they do at face value. The US can be wrong about things, and China can be right (for example, it would be naive to believe that the FAA is completely free from Boeing's influence), but the US's institutions are definitely more transparent and trustworthy than China's.

China is a one party state which explicitly doesn't permit any organization, much less a government agency, to operate without political interference.

by s17n 8y ago

China is a one party state which explicitly doesn't permit any organization, much less a government agency, to operate without political interference.

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chrischen 8y ago

America is a two party state... so what? My point is if your mind is closed to looking at their actions at an objective level, there is no point arguing against your position, since it is that China is inherently evil, and is incapable of good actions. Question is, what if you’re wrong? What if one party is better than two, or four, or 8? And if you can’t consider that possibility, are you any more open than China’s politically oppressive one-party system?

refurb 8y ago
There is massive gorge between a one party state and a two party state. Stop trying Arthur they are the same.
- chrischen 8y ago
  As I’m sure there is a massive difference between a two party state and a n-party state (or even senate/house). We all think our own systems are the best...
anticensor 8y ago
> America is a two party state. US are a multi-party state with two dominant parties. There are many unrepresented legal political parties.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > US is a multi-party state with two dominant parties. The US federal government is a two-party system with some non-party representation; not only is a multi-party system is defined by having multiple represented parties, but the US has a number of government systems set up whose structure is fundamentally predicated on their only being two parties that matter, and both the major parties observe that structure even when they have the political opportunity to gain immediate advantage by exploiting the huge loopholes that this opens in theory; e.g., a party could pack the so-called “independent” government commissions whose members are Presidentially appointed with a limit of a bare majority (3 on 5-member commissions) from a single party by appointing friendly independents or members of ideologically-aligned minor parties, but even when the President’s party controls the Senate and so shutting the opposing party out completely would not provoke confirmation battles that might be lost, the form of duopoly is strictly adhered to. It's clear that functionally, everything outside or the major parties is decorative and non-functional; even the independents in office functionally are tied to one or the other of the major parties (whichever they caucus with).
s17n 8y ago
The US has an independent judiciary, and regulatory agencies which are fairly insulated from political pressure. I'm not saying that China is evil, I'm just saying that there is a reason why the international community doesn't take anything they do at face value. The US can be wrong about things, and China can be right (for example, it would be naive to believe that the FAA is completely free from Boeing's influence), but the US's institutions are definitely more transparent and trustworthy than China's.