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In Russia this might happen if you injure somebody or damage property during unpermitted rally.

by gdy 8y ago

lambdadmitry 8y ago
That's of course a lie. Both from practical standpoint (police will invent stuff out of whole cloth if needed with courts rubber-stamping it) and from legal one, too. КоАП РФ [1] article 20.2 6.1, "unsanctioned gatherings leading to interruption of… pedestrian flow… up to 15 days of detention" (do I need to explain that any gathering is in practice an "interruption"?). Moreover, УК РФ 212.1 [2] says that breaking the previous one twice in a half year is punishable by up to 8 years in jail. I'd also like to remind you about the case of Ildar Dadin [3], who got thrown in jail for 3 years for one-person pickets. Sure, he was released when the case got widely publicised, but the laws and court system that did it are still in place. I reckon you have a very… optimistic and cursory knowledge of Russian laws in that area. [1]: https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Кодекс_РФ_об_административных_правонарушениях/Глава_20#Статья_20.2 https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Кодекс_РФ_об_административных... [2]: https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Уголовный_кодекс_Российской_Федерации/Глава_24#Статья_212.1 https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Уголовный_кодекс_Российской_Ф... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin
- gdy 8y ago
  "That's of course a lie." That was rude and unnecessary. According to [1], you are right and this article is used as you described against targeted political activists. At the same time, it is not how it is used in general case [2]. Moreover, if you look, for example, at the preceding article (20.1 - disorderly conduct in public places) [3] you must conclude that in Russia people are jailed for 15 days for saying 'fuck you' to somebody in a public place. Which, of course, is not happening because the degree of punishment, while at the judge's discretion, has to be proportional. [1] https://ovdinfo.org/codex/ch-61-st-202-koap https://ovdinfo.org/codex/ch-61-st-202-koap [2] https://dogovor-urist.ru/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BF_%D1%80%D1%84/%D1%81%D1%82_20_2/ https://dogovor-urist.ru/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B... [3] https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/74754240d170cc049cd7b313852fd5985eb0aafc/ https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/747542...

In Russia this might happen if you injure somebody or damage property during unpermitted rally.

by gdy 8y ago

In Russia this might happen if you injure somebody or damage property during unpermitted rally.

That's of course a lie. Both from practical standpoint (police will invent stuff out of whole cloth if needed with courts rubber-stamping it) and from legal one, too. КоАП РФ [1] article 20.2 6.1, "unsanctioned gatherings leading to interruption of… pedestrian flow… up to 15 days of detention" (do I need to explain that any gathering is in practice an "interruption"?). Moreover, УК РФ 212.1 [2] says that breaking the previous one twice in a half year is punishable by up to 8 years in jail. I'd also like to remind you about the case of Ildar Dadin [3], who got thrown in jail for 3 years for one-person pickets. Sure, he was released when the case got widely publicised, but the laws and court system that did it are still in place. I reckon you have a very… optimistic and cursory knowledge of Russian laws in that area. [1]: https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Кодекс_РФ_об_административных_правонарушениях/Глава_20#Статья_20.2 https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Кодекс_РФ_об_административных... [2]: https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Уголовный_кодекс_Российской_Федерации/Глава_24#Статья_212.1 https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Уголовный_кодекс_Российской_Ф... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin

gdy 8y ago
"That's of course a lie." That was rude and unnecessary. According to [1], you are right and this article is used as you described against targeted political activists. At the same time, it is not how it is used in general case [2]. Moreover, if you look, for example, at the preceding article (20.1 - disorderly conduct in public places) [3] you must conclude that in Russia people are jailed for 15 days for saying 'fuck you' to somebody in a public place. Which, of course, is not happening because the degree of punishment, while at the judge's discretion, has to be proportional. [1] https://ovdinfo.org/codex/ch-61-st-202-koap https://ovdinfo.org/codex/ch-61-st-202-koap [2] https://dogovor-urist.ru/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BF_%D1%80%D1%84/%D1%81%D1%82_20_2/ https://dogovor-urist.ru/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B... [3] https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/74754240d170cc049cd7b313852fd5985eb0aafc/ https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/747542...