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Her issues with the English are founded and interesting. But we all feel like that. Our history is complex and bloody, you go to any part of the UK and the peop

Her issues with the English are founded and interesting. But we all feel like that. Our history is complex and bloody, you go to any part of the UK and the people there feel the same way, why are we the butt of jokes? Why do they not care about our history and oppression (the North, Scotland, Cornwall, Wales, any rural part of the UK). While Londoners drone on about London. Brexit and the Irish border is almost impossible to solve. The talk has been endless, with what? An hour a day on Radio 4 for the past 3 or 4 years. It is complex. It is miles and miles away in a land 99% of us have never been to and can't help with a coherent answer. A hard border is madness. A soft border leaves a gaping hole in the EUs borders. A backstop means Northern Ireland are running a separate legal system to the rest of the UK, and we still have the issue of some sort of border somewhere ... in the UK ports? How many harbours and ports are there that are capable of getting a boat to Ireland? Hundreds?

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
> Brexit and the Irish border is almost impossible to solve. the solution would be to kick the illegal English occupants off the island of Ireland. also what gets labeled as terrorist in one country is called a freedom fighter in another. The Kurds are a great example of that too.
- monk_e_boy 8y ago
  That's just silly. 2 million people? People have been moving to and from Ireland and Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK forever. Drawing imaginary lines and labelling people is silly, but asking families move out of their homes? We may as well say the same for non-native Americans ... again such a silly idea that it may as well come from a pre-school student.
  - DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
    why would it be silly? everyone gets an Irish passport and the radical minority that identifies that strongly as English should fuck off to England. bombs are a valid means to protect your country from an illegal occupant. if the English don't get that maybe it's time for the N/IRA (whatever is left of it seems to be already in the process of recovering) to bring the war to London again in the way they did in the 80ies. I see no problem in that though would obviously prefer the English gave up NI voluntarily.
    - monk_e_boy 8y ago
      Are you Irish? Or an 'edgy' American? Or English troll?
    - jacobush 8y ago
      Wait, you propose to give everyone, even "English" an Irish passport? That's reasonable. However, the chances of England giving up NI are about 0%. The chances of IRA winning a war is also about 0%. I hope the IRA won't start up again, it would mean a slow never-ending cycle of death, again.
      - jonathanhd 8y ago
        Allowing everyone born in Northern Ireland, and everyone with an Irish grandparent anywhere, to claim an Irish passport is already standard policy and has been since partition.
        jacobush 8y ago
        Wow... could you move to NI from the Big Island and keep your EU citizenship that way, in case of Brexit?
        eesmith 8y ago
        No. You must be "born in Northern Ireland" as jonathanhd wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Co... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_th... . > It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. > Notwithstanding any other provision of this Constitution, a person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, who does not have, at the time of the birth of that person, at least one parent who is an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen is not entitled to Irish citizenship or nationality, unless provided for by law.
- krona 8y ago
  What about those of Norwegian descent? Since they've only been there half as long as the ones of Spanish descent, do you get to 'kick' those out too? Also, have you read The Terrorism Act 2006, lately?
  - DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
    see my other comment. I'm speaking of English occupants who as a minority identify as English and want NI to remain English (e.g. a divided Ireland). Sorry I couldn't give a rats arse about hypocrite laws that the US enforces on ther countries. Unlike others here I've lived in conflict zones for 20+ years, and am not an armchair philosopher like most of you who think just because they have an Internet connection it makes them an authority on all sorts of subjects.
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sys_64738 8y ago
> Brexit and the Irish border is almost impossible to solve. One way it could be solved is for the UK to stay in the EU. Then no hard border would be needed. I wonder if they actually considered that in London.
- monk_e_boy 8y ago
  Of course. You are not the first person to suggest it (sorry to burst your bubble) ... I expect there will be a second referendum. Whether we have 'remain' as an option ... that remains to be seen.

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago

> Brexit and the Irish border is almost impossible to solve. the solution would be to kick the illegal English occupants off the island of Ireland. also what gets labeled as terrorist in one country is called a freedom fighter in another. The Kurds are a great example of that too.

monk_e_boy 8y ago
That's just silly. 2 million people? People have been moving to and from Ireland and Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK forever. Drawing imaginary lines and labelling people is silly, but asking families move out of their homes? We may as well say the same for non-native Americans ... again such a silly idea that it may as well come from a pre-school student.
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  why would it be silly? everyone gets an Irish passport and the radical minority that identifies that strongly as English should fuck off to England. bombs are a valid means to protect your country from an illegal occupant. if the English don't get that maybe it's time for the N/IRA (whatever is left of it seems to be already in the process of recovering) to bring the war to London again in the way they did in the 80ies. I see no problem in that though would obviously prefer the English gave up NI voluntarily.
  - monk_e_boy 8y ago
    Are you Irish? Or an 'edgy' American? Or English troll?
  - jacobush 8y ago
    Wait, you propose to give everyone, even "English" an Irish passport? That's reasonable. However, the chances of England giving up NI are about 0%. The chances of IRA winning a war is also about 0%. I hope the IRA won't start up again, it would mean a slow never-ending cycle of death, again.
    - jonathanhd 8y ago
      Allowing everyone born in Northern Ireland, and everyone with an Irish grandparent anywhere, to claim an Irish passport is already standard policy and has been since partition.
      - jacobush 8y ago
        Wow... could you move to NI from the Big Island and keep your EU citizenship that way, in case of Brexit?
        eesmith 8y ago
        No. You must be "born in Northern Ireland" as jonathanhd wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Co... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_th... . > It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. > Notwithstanding any other provision of this Constitution, a person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, who does not have, at the time of the birth of that person, at least one parent who is an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen is not entitled to Irish citizenship or nationality, unless provided for by law.
krona 8y ago
What about those of Norwegian descent? Since they've only been there half as long as the ones of Spanish descent, do you get to 'kick' those out too? Also, have you read The Terrorism Act 2006, lately?
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  see my other comment. I'm speaking of English occupants who as a minority identify as English and want NI to remain English (e.g. a divided Ireland). Sorry I couldn't give a rats arse about hypocrite laws that the US enforces on ther countries. Unlike others here I've lived in conflict zones for 20+ years, and am not an armchair philosopher like most of you who think just because they have an Internet connection it makes them an authority on all sorts of subjects.
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sys_64738 8y ago

> Brexit and the Irish border is almost impossible to solve. One way it could be solved is for the UK to stay in the EU. Then no hard border would be needed. I wonder if they actually considered that in London.

monk_e_boy 8y ago
Of course. You are not the first person to suggest it (sorry to burst your bubble) ... I expect there will be a second referendum. Whether we have 'remain' as an option ... that remains to be seen.