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They should ground all 737 Max (350 have been built so far) until investigators understand fully what caused these two crashes and a fix is implemented (if it i

They should ground all 737 Max (350 have been built so far) until investigators understand fully what caused these two crashes and a fix is implemented (if it is proven that there was fault in the plane itself). It's highly unusual for a plane that has been in operation for only 3 years to have two crashes shortly after takeoff. I certainly won't be taking any flights in them until a thorough explanation emerges of what happened on these two flights. And Boeing PR should stop saying that the planes are safe (they recently put out a statement affirming it's safety). At best, they should say "we don't yet know, and are investigating".

liability 8y ago
I understand and agree with the suggestion that the whole fleet be grounded, but isn't personally avoiding the planes an overreaction? While the chance of another fatal crash in the imminent future may be high, surely the chance that you would be on it is still quite low.
- MuffinFlavored 8y ago
  Going on a 737 MAX plane: X% chance of dying Going on a non-737 MAX plane: Y% chance of dying Given these two accidents, X > Y Why sign up for a higher chance of dying?
  - liability 8y ago
    If both are very small, then why wouldn't some other factor like minor convenience wash out the minor safety concern? I don't know about you, but I pick my flights by airline, time, and price. I wouldn't degrade any of those for a very small increase in safety.
    - stordoff 8y ago
      I believe the point is that we don't _know_ that it's very small (_if_ it's a design flaw, it could be significantly higher), and there are (generally) viable alternatives, so it's needless extra risk
    - pmm 8y ago
      Right now the MAX version is at least an order of magnitude less safe than the previous generation (put some rough estimated in another comment)
      - liability 8y ago
        Airliners are exceptionally safe as a general rule. Small GA planes are TWO orders of magnitude less safe. Would you avoid a flight in a single engine prop plane? I wouldn't. While it's a certainty that many people will die in small plane crashes this year, it's still unlikely that the particular plane I'm on will crash. I think this is a classic case of people overreacting to dramatic but unlikely risk. And to be clear, I support grounding the fleet.
  - cmurf 8y ago
    Why drive anywhere you can fly? Driving means always signing up for a higher chance of dying.
  - tluyben2 8y ago
    Showering and then driving to the airport both are have a >> X chance of you dying before you even get on the Max.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    Is the chance of dying on a 737 Max flight higher than the chance of dying driving to the airport? Have you considered walking instead? That is: If both X and Y are low enough, it's not worth the inconvenience to get Y instead of X.
- rsynnott 8y ago
  If you think the plane should be grounded, then being personally happy to fly on it doesn’t make much sense. Other planes are available.
  - liability 8y ago
    You're mixing up two different probabilities. The chance of more fatalities is high, which justifies grounding the fleet, but the probability of a crash of the particular plane a particular person is on is still rather low. Not as low as other planes, but still low.

liability 8y ago

I understand and agree with the suggestion that the whole fleet be grounded, but isn't personally avoiding the planes an overreaction? While the chance of another fatal crash in the imminent future may be high, surely the chance that you would be on it is still quite low.

MuffinFlavored 8y ago
Going on a 737 MAX plane: X% chance of dying Going on a non-737 MAX plane: Y% chance of dying Given these two accidents, X > Y Why sign up for a higher chance of dying?
- liability 8y ago
  If both are very small, then why wouldn't some other factor like minor convenience wash out the minor safety concern? I don't know about you, but I pick my flights by airline, time, and price. I wouldn't degrade any of those for a very small increase in safety.
  - stordoff 8y ago
    I believe the point is that we don't _know_ that it's very small (_if_ it's a design flaw, it could be significantly higher), and there are (generally) viable alternatives, so it's needless extra risk
  - pmm 8y ago
    Right now the MAX version is at least an order of magnitude less safe than the previous generation (put some rough estimated in another comment)
    - liability 8y ago
      Airliners are exceptionally safe as a general rule. Small GA planes are TWO orders of magnitude less safe. Would you avoid a flight in a single engine prop plane? I wouldn't. While it's a certainty that many people will die in small plane crashes this year, it's still unlikely that the particular plane I'm on will crash. I think this is a classic case of people overreacting to dramatic but unlikely risk. And to be clear, I support grounding the fleet.
- cmurf 8y ago
  Why drive anywhere you can fly? Driving means always signing up for a higher chance of dying.
- tluyben2 8y ago
  Showering and then driving to the airport both are have a >> X chance of you dying before you even get on the Max.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  Is the chance of dying on a 737 Max flight higher than the chance of dying driving to the airport? Have you considered walking instead? That is: If both X and Y are low enough, it's not worth the inconvenience to get Y instead of X.
rsynnott 8y ago
If you think the plane should be grounded, then being personally happy to fly on it doesn’t make much sense. Other planes are available.
- liability 8y ago
  You're mixing up two different probabilities. The chance of more fatalities is high, which justifies grounding the fleet, but the probability of a crash of the particular plane a particular person is on is still rather low. Not as low as other planes, but still low.