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That’s exactly what I thought. My immediate reaction was, if that’s a crisis, then what is San Francisco?? (Currently paying 3700 for a one bedroom in sf)

jandrese 8y ago
Has San Fransisco not been in a housing crisis for decades now?
- phil248 8y ago
  No, it used to just be an expensive city. Over the last decade it has become the most expensive city. Rents have literally doubled.
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kevintb 8y ago
Tech salaries are not even close to SF levels. The average pay for a software engineer in Vancouver is $70,000. Many new grad jobs average around $35,000/year.
- echlebek 8y ago
  I've seen people offered that little, but it's hard to believe anyone would take a company up on it. I started at a modest $50k, in 2010, in Vancouver, and was barely getting by at that salary. I can't imagine putting in 40 a week for $35k in 2019, that's highway robbery.
parthdesai 8y ago
Yeah, and how much more are you making in SF. Average software dev salary in Vancouver is $65k CAD ($48k USD) vs $113k USD in SF.
- vancouverer 8y ago
  Where do people get these numbers? I signed up an account just to comment on this buffoonery. I’m making almost $200K and haven’t been pitched a senior role under $130K in years... How can your data be soooo far off?
  - mattnewport 8y ago
    Both numbers seem low but the ratio seems plausible. I continue to hear about friends and acquaintances leaving Vancouver for the Bay Area or Seattle because the offers are double what they can get in Vancouver. People being offered $150K CAD base in Vancouver are being offered $250K USD base often with more generous stock based comp. Overall cost of living in Vancouver (including healthcare) is still quite a bit lower than the Bay Area but there's no doubt most engineers with some experience end up significantly better off financially taking offers in the US.
    - vancouverer 8y ago
      I certainly made a lot more in California but it’s not that great a spread with costs considered relative to the dramatic improvement in quality of life living in Vancouver. $200K is a lot of money. I save most of it because I literally have nothing to spend it on. In turn I get access to facilities and lifestyle opportunities that were simply not available in the valley. 100K more still wouldn’t get me that in the valley. Edit: my tax rate is also very comparable. BC income tax at 200K is very similar to California. Also, I eat out a lot and sales tax is only 5% on restaurants. Good restaurants are also cheaper here. Vancouver is really not the engineering wasteland people seem to think it is.
      - mattnewport 8y ago
        I live in Vancouver too and it's a conscious choice of the lifestyle here over more money in the Bay Area or Seattle but I'm aware that it's quite a lot of money to give up. I think there are some indicators that salaries here are starting to rise due to the size of the gap but not enough that I don't still know plenty of people who have either left or are seriously considering it.

jandrese 8y ago

Has San Fransisco not been in a housing crisis for decades now?

phil248 8y ago
No, it used to just be an expensive city. Over the last decade it has become the most expensive city. Rents have literally doubled.
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kevintb 8y ago

Tech salaries are not even close to SF levels. The average pay for a software engineer in Vancouver is $70,000. Many new grad jobs average around $35,000/year.

echlebek 8y ago
I've seen people offered that little, but it's hard to believe anyone would take a company up on it. I started at a modest $50k, in 2010, in Vancouver, and was barely getting by at that salary. I can't imagine putting in 40 a week for $35k in 2019, that's highway robbery.

parthdesai 8y ago

Yeah, and how much more are you making in SF. Average software dev salary in Vancouver is $65k CAD ($48k USD) vs $113k USD in SF.

vancouverer 8y ago
Where do people get these numbers? I signed up an account just to comment on this buffoonery. I’m making almost $200K and haven’t been pitched a senior role under $130K in years... How can your data be soooo far off?
- mattnewport 8y ago
  Both numbers seem low but the ratio seems plausible. I continue to hear about friends and acquaintances leaving Vancouver for the Bay Area or Seattle because the offers are double what they can get in Vancouver. People being offered $150K CAD base in Vancouver are being offered $250K USD base often with more generous stock based comp. Overall cost of living in Vancouver (including healthcare) is still quite a bit lower than the Bay Area but there's no doubt most engineers with some experience end up significantly better off financially taking offers in the US.
  - vancouverer 8y ago
    I certainly made a lot more in California but it’s not that great a spread with costs considered relative to the dramatic improvement in quality of life living in Vancouver. $200K is a lot of money. I save most of it because I literally have nothing to spend it on. In turn I get access to facilities and lifestyle opportunities that were simply not available in the valley. 100K more still wouldn’t get me that in the valley. Edit: my tax rate is also very comparable. BC income tax at 200K is very similar to California. Also, I eat out a lot and sales tax is only 5% on restaurants. Good restaurants are also cheaper here. Vancouver is really not the engineering wasteland people seem to think it is.
    - mattnewport 8y ago
      I live in Vancouver too and it's a conscious choice of the lifestyle here over more money in the Bay Area or Seattle but I'm aware that it's quite a lot of money to give up. I think there are some indicators that salaries here are starting to rise due to the size of the gap but not enough that I don't still know plenty of people who have either left or are seriously considering it.