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Hospital staff has every right to call the police if they believe someone is using an illegal substance (state & federally) on their property. We should just fi

Hospital staff has every right to call the police if they believe someone is using an illegal substance (state & federally) on their property. We should just fix the laws.

aaomidi 8y ago
No one here is talking about legal right. We're talking about moral right.
- thoughtstheseus 8y ago
  Yeah, the moral thing seems to be just fix the laws. I’m open to other alternatives - please suggest.
  - jmcqk6 8y ago
    When the laws seem unfixable, is that still the only moral responsibility you have? You seem to be arguing that you should follow immoral laws until you have a chance to change them. That doesn't seem very moral to me.
    - thoughtstheseus 8y ago
      As per the article, the law is already being changed and it will be legal. The laws seem very "fixable" in this specific situation. I am not advocating for people to follow immoral laws.
- quakenul 8y ago
  Expecting a few human beings, who all are involved in a stressful situation and have probably no philosophical inclinations, to come up with a morally sound choice on the spot seems like a tall order.
  - aaomidi 8y ago
    I think it's fair to expect people to think morally. It should be the default way of thinking, not something you spend energy on.
  - pizza 8y ago
    Do ethicists actually behave more ethically than others?
- oliwarner 8y ago
  And the moral right if they're smoking it next to a fixed oxygen line? Or in a bay with patients with COPD? Both are extremely prevalent in cancer wards.
  - pizza 8y ago
    He had THC pills so those scenarios don’t have much to do with the moral right of the hospital to confiscate the THC pills. Also it seems like he was using THC pills to avoid using opioids prescribed to him. You can likely forgive him for being skeptical of the risks associated with that.
    - oliwarner 8y ago
      1) THC pills don't stink the place up like weed. I very much doubt the security guy who called this in did it for the kick. 2) While I'd never criticise somebody own decision to avoid opiates (long term use gives you epic constipation), this preachy "opiates are evil thing" that's floating around (see every comments section everywhere) is bullshit that needs to stop. Well-prescribed palliatively-applied opioids (in concert with other drugs) are great for palliative care. That doesn't change just because a few dipshit doctors hand out oxy for chronic backpain, or that drug companies have inappropriately marketed fentanyl, or that people die from opiate abuse because they try to self-dose using help on forums. The fact here is this guy has an extremely finite amount of life left. People don't get better from stage 4 pancreatic cancer. So again, props to anybody who can manage their pain through alternative mechanisms, but don't be part of the witch-hunt scaring people in pain off the good stuff.
kbos87 8y ago
“Every right” might be true, but that doesn’t protect them from having made a despicable decision to do it. I agree the laws should be fixed, but there’s a level of decency absent from their decision.

Hospital staff has every right to call the police if they believe someone is using an illegal substance (state & federally) on their property. We should just fix the laws.

aaomidi 8y ago

No one here is talking about legal right. We're talking about moral right.

thoughtstheseus 8y ago
Yeah, the moral thing seems to be just fix the laws. I’m open to other alternatives - please suggest.
- jmcqk6 8y ago
  When the laws seem unfixable, is that still the only moral responsibility you have? You seem to be arguing that you should follow immoral laws until you have a chance to change them. That doesn't seem very moral to me.
  - thoughtstheseus 8y ago
    As per the article, the law is already being changed and it will be legal. The laws seem very "fixable" in this specific situation. I am not advocating for people to follow immoral laws.
quakenul 8y ago
Expecting a few human beings, who all are involved in a stressful situation and have probably no philosophical inclinations, to come up with a morally sound choice on the spot seems like a tall order.
- aaomidi 8y ago
  I think it's fair to expect people to think morally. It should be the default way of thinking, not something you spend energy on.
- pizza 8y ago
  Do ethicists actually behave more ethically than others?
oliwarner 8y ago
And the moral right if they're smoking it next to a fixed oxygen line? Or in a bay with patients with COPD? Both are extremely prevalent in cancer wards.
- pizza 8y ago
  He had THC pills so those scenarios don’t have much to do with the moral right of the hospital to confiscate the THC pills. Also it seems like he was using THC pills to avoid using opioids prescribed to him. You can likely forgive him for being skeptical of the risks associated with that.
  - oliwarner 8y ago
    1) THC pills don't stink the place up like weed. I very much doubt the security guy who called this in did it for the kick. 2) While I'd never criticise somebody own decision to avoid opiates (long term use gives you epic constipation), this preachy "opiates are evil thing" that's floating around (see every comments section everywhere) is bullshit that needs to stop. Well-prescribed palliatively-applied opioids (in concert with other drugs) are great for palliative care. That doesn't change just because a few dipshit doctors hand out oxy for chronic backpain, or that drug companies have inappropriately marketed fentanyl, or that people die from opiate abuse because they try to self-dose using help on forums. The fact here is this guy has an extremely finite amount of life left. People don't get better from stage 4 pancreatic cancer. So again, props to anybody who can manage their pain through alternative mechanisms, but don't be part of the witch-hunt scaring people in pain off the good stuff.

kbos87 8y ago

“Every right” might be true, but that doesn’t protect them from having made a despicable decision to do it. I agree the laws should be fixed, but there’s a level of decency absent from their decision.