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RHEL also means Fedora and CentOS, the latter is extremely popular for large scale deployments. The article is for web servers only, I think the real market sha

RHEL also means Fedora and CentOS, the latter is extremely popular for large scale deployments. The article is for web servers only, I think the real market share of RHEL and CentOS is more like 30-40%. Podman just makes more sense because it doesn't require a big fat daemon. You launch containers like any other service: with systemd. And you can run podman without root permissions as well, which is a huge win for security.

tnolet 8y ago
Well, having worked quite a bit with RHEL and Centos in the past, I found their day to day usage quite different. Maybe that has changed. More important, I only saw RHEL at traditional Fortune 500 companies. Not sure how their market in FANG type companies is. Probably negligible. F500 is still big of course.
- user5994461 8y ago
  FANG are making their own OS at this point so they're not really relevant. There are two distributions left in Linux, RedHat derivatives and Debian derivatives. In terms of install base, it's maybe 1/3 and 2/3. In terms of money, expect the other way around, because it's F500 who pay the most for software and they are on RedHat. RedHat is actively trying to kill docker (along Google and Amazon). RedHat removing "docker" CLI and replacing it with its own tools is a major step toward that. Docker will be de facto dead in enterprise as soon as it stops being supported by RedHat.
  - kcmastrpc 8y ago
    Unless these orgs can replace it with something as feature complete and stable as Docker I suspect their customers will ultimately have the last word.
    - user5994461 8y ago
      I will pass on the joke to call docker either stable or feature complete. There is nothing that prevents RedHat to ship an alias to their own tools by default, just like java => openjdk. It's not the responsibility of RHEL to maintain or support third party software. If case you didn't know, docker stopped shipping with Debian years ago.
      - kcmastrpc 8y ago
        Nothing is ever feature complete or stable, I know. All software is shit, right? The day RHEL customers stop using the docker runtime is when RHEL will stop supporting it - until then, they'll support it. Case in point: java -> openjdk. Anyhow, this article is just click bait, and it's been done at least twice a year since Dockers inception. I'm disappointed that this community finds shitposts like this more compelling than the NSA opensourcing a reverse compiler, but I digress. Have fun in your bubble.

tnolet 8y ago

Well, having worked quite a bit with RHEL and Centos in the past, I found their day to day usage quite different. Maybe that has changed. More important, I only saw RHEL at traditional Fortune 500 companies. Not sure how their market in FANG type companies is. Probably negligible. F500 is still big of course.

user5994461 8y ago
FANG are making their own OS at this point so they're not really relevant. There are two distributions left in Linux, RedHat derivatives and Debian derivatives. In terms of install base, it's maybe 1/3 and 2/3. In terms of money, expect the other way around, because it's F500 who pay the most for software and they are on RedHat. RedHat is actively trying to kill docker (along Google and Amazon). RedHat removing "docker" CLI and replacing it with its own tools is a major step toward that. Docker will be de facto dead in enterprise as soon as it stops being supported by RedHat.
- kcmastrpc 8y ago
  Unless these orgs can replace it with something as feature complete and stable as Docker I suspect their customers will ultimately have the last word.
  - user5994461 8y ago
    I will pass on the joke to call docker either stable or feature complete. There is nothing that prevents RedHat to ship an alias to their own tools by default, just like java => openjdk. It's not the responsibility of RHEL to maintain or support third party software. If case you didn't know, docker stopped shipping with Debian years ago.
    - kcmastrpc 8y ago
      Nothing is ever feature complete or stable, I know. All software is shit, right? The day RHEL customers stop using the docker runtime is when RHEL will stop supporting it - until then, they'll support it. Case in point: java -> openjdk. Anyhow, this article is just click bait, and it's been done at least twice a year since Dockers inception. I'm disappointed that this community finds shitposts like this more compelling than the NSA opensourcing a reverse compiler, but I digress. Have fun in your bubble.