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The parent never said that the development and successful use of the tanks made the human losses okay, only that the Soviet victory wasn't solely due to overwhe
by dEnigma 8y ago
The parent never said that the development and successful use of the tanks made the human losses okay, only that the Soviet victory wasn't solely due to overwhelming numbers.
I dunno, I did a fair bit of partying in Silicon Valley and I think the the fact that, however ill-advised and harmful, this didn't exterminate millions of people tends to detract from whatever 'this' is supposed to be quite a bit.
Again, the parent only explained that partying and hard work aren't mutually exclusive, not that this somehow makes Stalin's actions okay.
- pvg 8y agoAnother idea that struck me is how all the Soviet top brass were absolute workhorses who squeezed every living hour out of the day, to the point of mental and physical exhaustion. The explicit idea here is that Soviet success was a function of the exceptionally hard work of leadership.
- dEnigma 8y agoWhich might very well be true, at least in part. I still don't see how this relates to my or your comments. Hard work and a disregard for human lifes can go hand in hand. Just because someone works hard for a cause that doesn't make that cause right; and acknowledging the hard work isn't the same as condoning the terrible things achieved through that work.
- pvg 8y agoHard work and a disregard for human lifes can go hand in hand. They can, but one of these things endlessly colours the way we morally judge them. No amount of hard work makes up for a disregard for human life.
- dEnigma 8y agoExactly, and nobody in this thread ever claimed otherwise.
- pvg 8y agoAnother idea that struck me is how all the Soviet top brass were absolute workhorses who squeezed every living hour out of the day, to the point of mental and physical exhaustion. Stalin himself seemed to sleep from 4am to the late morning, which I found curious. Overall there are clear insights on how they won the war and lifted the Soviet empire, other than through despicable actions. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it but this reads to me like 'the soviet leadership worked really hard and that won the war'.
- dEnigma 8y agoOh, I interpreted that as "hard work AND despicable actions won the war". I apologise for my dismissive comments in case your interpretation is correct.
- pvg 8y agoI don't think you have anything to apologize for. It's just that 'Stalin worked really hard' is both ahistorical and despicable, as any sort of explanation. It's not a claim you made.
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