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there is one small nuisance here - if we start to treat all governments equally skeptic, we should also "fry live" all large corporations too.

by silpol 8y ago

cbluth 8y ago
How did we come to this imbalance?
- mmjaa 8y ago
  State secrecy being used as an excuse for violence. A truly free people keep no secrets.
  - killjoywashere 8y ago
    Truly free people are free to keep all the secrets they want.
    - mmjaa 8y ago
      .. and they will forever be ruled by them, so: not free.
    - hopler 8y ago
      The only reason to keep secrets is if they aren't free. Otherwise the secret protects nothing. Freedom is broad and self contradictory. Complete freedom for more than one person is impossible.
      - kbenson 8y ago
        That's not true. There are any number of subgroups that view certain behavior with distaste that other subgroups do not. Just because there is social and cultural pressure to do or not do things doesn't mean you are unfree. You are just as free to observe the behaviors or not as other people are to judge you by them. I mean, I don't like tipping. I think it's horrible in many aspects, not the least of which how it taps directly into racial and gender prejudices monetarily (black waiters make less in tips regardless of service level). That said, I tip. I would rather not be known as the guy that doesn't tip (and wages assume tips as of now, so it's a bit unfair to the service people). I'm still free to tip or not, and others are free to judge or misjudge me for it if I do.
  - pennaMan 8y ago
    In the sense that free people would still be free if all their secrets are exposed? I can get behind that train of thought.
    - mmjaa 8y ago
      If you allow your government to keep its own secrets, it will use that right to rule you.
  - simula67 8y ago
    <sarcasm>Yes. US government should publish it's nuclear launch codes on whitehouse.gov </sarcasm>
    - mmjaa 8y ago
      Conflating nuclear launch code secrets with war crime secrets: this is the problem with Americans today.

there is one small nuisance here - if we start to treat all governments equally skeptic, we should also "fry live" all large corporations too.

by silpol 8y ago

there is one small nuisance here - if we start to treat all governments equally skeptic, we should also "fry live" all large corporations too.

cbluth 8y ago

How did we come to this imbalance?

mmjaa 8y ago
State secrecy being used as an excuse for violence. A truly free people keep no secrets.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  Truly free people are free to keep all the secrets they want.
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    .. and they will forever be ruled by them, so: not free.
  - hopler 8y ago
    The only reason to keep secrets is if they aren't free. Otherwise the secret protects nothing. Freedom is broad and self contradictory. Complete freedom for more than one person is impossible.
    - kbenson 8y ago
      That's not true. There are any number of subgroups that view certain behavior with distaste that other subgroups do not. Just because there is social and cultural pressure to do or not do things doesn't mean you are unfree. You are just as free to observe the behaviors or not as other people are to judge you by them. I mean, I don't like tipping. I think it's horrible in many aspects, not the least of which how it taps directly into racial and gender prejudices monetarily (black waiters make less in tips regardless of service level). That said, I tip. I would rather not be known as the guy that doesn't tip (and wages assume tips as of now, so it's a bit unfair to the service people). I'm still free to tip or not, and others are free to judge or misjudge me for it if I do.
- pennaMan 8y ago
  In the sense that free people would still be free if all their secrets are exposed? I can get behind that train of thought.
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    If you allow your government to keep its own secrets, it will use that right to rule you.
- simula67 8y ago
  <sarcasm>Yes. US government should publish it's nuclear launch codes on whitehouse.gov </sarcasm>
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    Conflating nuclear launch code secrets with war crime secrets: this is the problem with Americans today.