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I don’t think it’s the only “shameful” thing unfortunately. The claim of cars being capable of FSD is pretty clearly nonsense, although I recognize that some tr

I don’t think it’s the only “shameful” thing unfortunately. The claim of cars being capable of FSD is pretty clearly nonsense, although I recognize that some true believers will take some more years to accept that. Still, I think most of us have figured out that full automation isn’t right around the corner, and unless we posit that Musk is an idiot (he isn’t) then he knows that too. My dream for Tesla is thst Musk is gone, soon, because while he appears able to start great things, he’s a pretty lousy leader (and person) beyond that. I look at SpaceX and see something great that for the most part, does its thing because Musk isn’t around. I look at Tesla and I see him screwing around on Twitter, lying, and generally being a drain on the company. Tesla has too much good going on to make stupid promises about FSD or bullshit about their pricing.

unwind 8y ago
ObMeta: here it seems FSD means "Full Self-Driving".
FireBeyond 8y ago
> Still, I think most of us have figured out that full automation isn’t right around the corner, and unless we posit that Musk is an idiot (he isn’t) then he knows that too. Except that just the other day Musk went on record (on an earnings call?) saying that Tesla's would be capable of "full self driving, coast to coast, this year"...
- tbabb 8y ago
  Uff, wincing facepalm. That man needs to close his mouth. I would bet 85% odds that Tesla is eventually going to offer a refund to all current Model 3 owners who "pre-purchased" self driving. In fact, that's the event that is more likely to happen "coast to coast, this year". Calling it now: There will be an "autopilot hardware v2." And Tesla will have to dig deep to pay back all that pre-purchased FSD cash, probably plus extra to stave off a class action lawsuit, which is its own risk. I would love to see full self driving, but I don't trust that hardware. I would love to see Tesla succeed, but I fear that Musk himself will bring it down.
  - altfredd 8y ago
    He isn't necessarily lying, and there won't be a lawsuit. The "self-driving" will be made available, both in hardware and software. It just won't be usable on roads (because every state will immediately outlaw it). Few owners, brave enough to try it in spite of regulations, might discover some notable flaws... But hey, — no one promised you a perfect self-driving! You will be able to "self-drive" in couple of dedicated cities or around wilderness in the middle of nowhere (with modest risk of damaging vehicle), and that's supposedly what everyone has paid for. Musk won't be held responsible for restrictive laws, — he most likely anticipates that and hopes precisely for that.
breakyerself 8y ago
You can be very very smart and still make boneheaded mistakes. Musk has been being lauded as a genius long enough to begin believing in his own infallibility. I don't think he's lying. I think he believes it. To be fair if he had promised to do what he's already done before he did it no one would have believed that either.
whamlastxmas 8y ago
Lol at the lengths of Musk bashing that happens here. He isn't around SpaceX? It's surviving despite him? He's a drain on Tesla? Yeah, ok, buddy. I'd ask you to provide any legitimate evidence of this but I won't bother because it doesn't exist.
- dang 8y ago
  Could you please not post unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait to HN? This and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19340276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19340276 are below the standard we're shooting for here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

unwind 8y ago

ObMeta: here it seems FSD means "Full Self-Driving".

FireBeyond 8y ago

> Still, I think most of us have figured out that full automation isn’t right around the corner, and unless we posit that Musk is an idiot (he isn’t) then he knows that too. Except that just the other day Musk went on record (on an earnings call?) saying that Tesla's would be capable of "full self driving, coast to coast, this year"...

tbabb 8y ago
Uff, wincing facepalm. That man needs to close his mouth. I would bet 85% odds that Tesla is eventually going to offer a refund to all current Model 3 owners who "pre-purchased" self driving. In fact, that's the event that is more likely to happen "coast to coast, this year". Calling it now: There will be an "autopilot hardware v2." And Tesla will have to dig deep to pay back all that pre-purchased FSD cash, probably plus extra to stave off a class action lawsuit, which is its own risk. I would love to see full self driving, but I don't trust that hardware. I would love to see Tesla succeed, but I fear that Musk himself will bring it down.
- altfredd 8y ago
  He isn't necessarily lying, and there won't be a lawsuit. The "self-driving" will be made available, both in hardware and software. It just won't be usable on roads (because every state will immediately outlaw it). Few owners, brave enough to try it in spite of regulations, might discover some notable flaws... But hey, — no one promised you a perfect self-driving! You will be able to "self-drive" in couple of dedicated cities or around wilderness in the middle of nowhere (with modest risk of damaging vehicle), and that's supposedly what everyone has paid for. Musk won't be held responsible for restrictive laws, — he most likely anticipates that and hopes precisely for that.

breakyerself 8y ago

You can be very very smart and still make boneheaded mistakes. Musk has been being lauded as a genius long enough to begin believing in his own infallibility. I don't think he's lying. I think he believes it. To be fair if he had promised to do what he's already done before he did it no one would have believed that either.

whamlastxmas 8y ago

Lol at the lengths of Musk bashing that happens here. He isn't around SpaceX? It's surviving despite him? He's a drain on Tesla? Yeah, ok, buddy. I'd ask you to provide any legitimate evidence of this but I won't bother because it doesn't exist.

dang 8y ago
Could you please not post unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait to HN? This and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19340276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19340276 are below the standard we're shooting for here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html