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On one hand, these numbers are kinda bogus. On the other... ICE car prices should really be advertised with a reasonable fuel cost included, particularly in Ger
by gok 8y ago
On one hand, these numbers are kinda bogus. On the other... ICE car prices should really be advertised with a reasonable fuel cost included, particularly in Germany where fuel is so expensive.
- kylec 8y agoAll carmakers disclose the fuel economy of their vehicles. How much you'll actually pay for fuel depends greatly on not just the fuel economy of the vehicle, but how much you drive, how aggressively you drive, and the price of fuel in your area and at the particular time. I don't see how you could distill all that down to a single number that means anything.
- gok 8y agoA reasonable guess would be fine. It's what appliances are required to do, for example.
- unwind 8y agoIt's reasonable to assume that a fridge or freezer is powered on 24/7/365. For a car there simply cannot be a correspondingly safe assumption, can there?
- gok 8y agoA TV, dishwasher, or laundry machine is a better corollary. Everyone uses theirs at a different rate but they still put a reasonable guess at yearly cost on the Energy Star label.
- spiralx 8y agoBut the variation between lowest and highest usage and cost for a TV or dishwasher is going to be far less than it is for the cost of fueling a car, there's a huge difference between someone who uses the car for a few short journeys a few times a week and someone who drives hundreds of miles almost every day for work.
- AnthonyMouse 8y agoThey could do the calculation based on the amount and type of driving done by the median driver. Then this would be a good approximation for most people and the outlier who knows they drive twice that many miles could double the number etc.
- simion314 8y agoBut this should not be included in price, added as an extra value somewhere and it must be somewhere standardized so all companies would use same algorithm to calculate this value.
- seszett 8y agoI think most people will get a better picture seeing the usual numbers like "4.8 l/100km urban, 4.5 mixed, 4.2 highway" than something like "median fuel cost per year 850€". Especially since you can't estimate the future price of fuel.
- AnthonyMouse 8y agoThe problem with l/100km is that you can't compare it to purchase prices without doing math, which makes it less intuitive. This is especially true once you're no longer comparing the same units even between vehicles. It's much easier to compare euros with euros than having to compare euros with l/100km and kWh/100km. Moreover, it's possible to make a plausible fuel price estimate based on current and historical prices, and if it turns out to be wrong then it wouldn't be any less wrong for having the buyer calculate it instead of the seller.
- oliwarner 8y agoThey could. I'm sure some do. But I think you're missing the point. Tesla aren't saying "this is how much you could save", they're taking that number off the purchase price until you walk through the checkout.
- benj111 8y agoThey already advertise MPG/ LKM. Fuel varies so much in price that fuel price variation would mask cost differentials between cars. You could start combining some synthetic averaged fuel price with MPG to arrive at a cost. But is it a cost that anyone's likely to achieve, or know how it relates to their own circumstances. At least mileage figures however flawed are a known quantity, I know how it relates to my driving, and I know whether fuel prices are currently low or high.
- simion314 8y agoThis is a bad idea, a price label should display the price and not something else, if you introduce some bogus average fule costs this values will be gamed, just keep the price as a price, keep the fuel economy as that and include extra information if you want.
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- Spooky23 8y agoEvery car has a window sticker that includes annual fuel costs based on a standard calculation approach.
- ulfw 8y agoGermany has one of the highest electricity prices of the world too. So there's that. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-price...