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Did you see the slides in question? If not take a look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c_NyUhOZ8erdqU2AGZJZtNfFeA91Kefj/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/

Did you see the slides in question? If not take a look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c_NyUhOZ8erdqU2AGZJZtNfFeA91Kefj/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c_NyUhOZ8erdqU2AGZJZtNfFeA9... I see no great insults here, one cartoon suggests that the gender studies activists that are so concerned about the lack of women in STEM could have better addressed the problem if they themselves pursued careers in STEM rather than gender studies. The other cartoon is even milder. As to ridiculing his colleagues, from what I can see there is one slide in which Strumia states a female colleague that was hired over him has 10x fewer citations. Assuming that is true, how is that ridiculing a colleague?

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
Yes, I've seen the slides. They are offensive and the cartoons in them are offensive in the context of the slides. There is no question that they would harm CERN's repuation and that people at CERN would be livid at Strumio's talk as a result.
- mrjesus 8y ago
  "Offence is taken and not given". They are obviously jokes to illustrate a point. The fact that you call them offensive instead of attacking the criticism itself is fuelling the push back against you and it is continuously mounting. I have seen people's careers and spoken to countless others because people took offence over basically nothing or flat out lined to ruin someone. Men now are actively just avoiding women at work whenever possible if they are smart. Precisely because of this offence culture. In the UK we have people going to prison for being "offensive" this can be anything from jokes in poor taste to legitimate political speech. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/27/chelsea-russell-and-the-depravity-of-pc/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/27/chelsea-russell-and...
SiempreViernes 8y ago
He is saying ”you got hired despite being dumb, and the girl that hired you was dumb too!”, which is clearly what he is implying given the context of the talk itself and that nice conspirational quote he put underneath. I find it remarkable that you can read that slide, where he insults the selection comitte by proxy and one of its female members directly, and not come to the conclusion that he is correctly being kicked out. What would it take to count as bad? A specific death threat with his signature underneath, or would his citation count balance that out too, as long as the wording is mild?

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago

Yes, I've seen the slides. They are offensive and the cartoons in them are offensive in the context of the slides. There is no question that they would harm CERN's repuation and that people at CERN would be livid at Strumio's talk as a result.

mrjesus 8y ago
"Offence is taken and not given". They are obviously jokes to illustrate a point. The fact that you call them offensive instead of attacking the criticism itself is fuelling the push back against you and it is continuously mounting. I have seen people's careers and spoken to countless others because people took offence over basically nothing or flat out lined to ruin someone. Men now are actively just avoiding women at work whenever possible if they are smart. Precisely because of this offence culture. In the UK we have people going to prison for being "offensive" this can be anything from jokes in poor taste to legitimate political speech. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/27/chelsea-russell-and-the-depravity-of-pc/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/27/chelsea-russell-and...

SiempreViernes 8y ago

He is saying ”you got hired despite being dumb, and the girl that hired you was dumb too!”, which is clearly what he is implying given the context of the talk itself and that nice conspirational quote he put underneath. I find it remarkable that you can read that slide, where he insults the selection comitte by proxy and one of its female members directly, and not come to the conclusion that he is correctly being kicked out. What would it take to count as bad? A specific death threat with his signature underneath, or would his citation count balance that out too, as long as the wording is mild?