I'd agree that Java gets maybe too much hate in hacker communities. Java is fine IMO, if maybe a little boring. Not terribly useful for exploring cool new langu

I'd agree that Java gets maybe too much hate in hacker communities. Java is fine IMO, if maybe a little boring. Not terribly useful for exploring cool new language design theories, but just the thing for writing a Line Of Business app that can get useful stuff done and not require updates and security patches every month. I've never written cross-platform GUI apps in Java myself, but it seems like it's probably the least-bad way I know of to write cross-platform desktop applications that share most of their code. Mostly agree on the other points. I do like Rust, but it's still young, and many potential areas of use just don't have mature library support with lots of features yet. And some of the community enthusiasm does get over the top - I'm sure not holding my breath for rewrite everything in Rust crowd's wishes to come true, no matter how bad memory misuse bugs have been - including the Linux kernel and the universe of GNU utils.