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> management's expectations are simultaneously deadline, cost and feature driven. There is no management technique I suppose when the product you're making is,

> management's expectations are simultaneously deadline, cost and feature driven. There is no management technique I suppose when the product you're making is, say, advertisements, because you merely arbitrage, you can satisfy all of those at the same time. The more interesting point of view is, "The kinds of software businesses you want to get into require no management at all."

joker3 8y ago
> "The kinds of software businesses you want to get into require no management at all." Nice work if you can get it.
zdragnar 8y ago
It is entirely reasonable for management to set an expectation for two of the three between deadline, cost and features. The whole point of agile, as I understand it from "Uncle Bob", is that as professionals, developers are expected to provide information and guidance based on their professional opinion. Not only does agile help ensure accountability, but also acts as a continuous feedback cycle for developers to provide new context, information, and ideas as they surface. I did in fact work at a company that was something of a dev shop for marketing agencies, and it was pretty miserable at times, because they inevitably expected contracts that held to all three. Cost was typically the one thing we could get them to budge on as new information came up (i.e. this necessary feature wasn't accounted for) though who actually ate the cost depended on negotiations. I don't think I would enjoy working in a business with no management at all, to be honest. There are things that I am good at, and there is a definite perspective from which I view things, and the same applies to good managers, and there is not a complete overlap between the two. On top of that, they deal with problems that, often as not, I'd rather not have to worry about.

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> management's expectations are simultaneously deadline, cost and feature driven. There is no management technique I suppose when the product you're making is,

by doctorpangloss 8y ago

joker3 8y ago
> "The kinds of software businesses you want to get into require no management at all." Nice work if you can get it.
zdragnar 8y ago
It is entirely reasonable for management to set an expectation for two of the three between deadline, cost and features. The whole point of agile, as I understand it from "Uncle Bob", is that as professionals, developers are expected to provide information and guidance based on their professional opinion. Not only does agile help ensure accountability, but also acts as a continuous feedback cycle for developers to provide new context, information, and ideas as they surface. I did in fact work at a company that was something of a dev shop for marketing agencies, and it was pretty miserable at times, because they inevitably expected contracts that held to all three. Cost was typically the one thing we could get them to budge on as new information came up (i.e. this necessary feature wasn't accounted for) though who actually ate the cost depended on negotiations. I don't think I would enjoy working in a business with no management at all, to be honest. There are things that I am good at, and there is a definite perspective from which I view things, and the same applies to good managers, and there is not a complete overlap between the two. On top of that, they deal with problems that, often as not, I'd rather not have to worry about.