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> no village that will raise your child except that in the majority of the world people live in more communal settings. You're probably thinking of nations whe

by sabujp 8y ago

> no village that will raise your child except that in the majority of the world people live in more communal settings. You're probably thinking of nations where people don't even know their neighbors. Also you misunderstand "village". The way I see that term nowadays is more about public and private institutions that provide support for kids in their education and upbringing. At least in SV there are tons of things going on every weekend where kids can go do things for "free" or at very low cost. You just have to look. For example last week the tech museum in sj had free admission sponsored by KDFC the local classical music station, home depot has free workshops every few months, the school district has free weekend field trips for families with preschool kids, not to mention the library has stuff that's going on every single day, more stuff : https://www.bayareaparent.com/ https://www.bayareaparent.com/

jelliclesfarm 8y ago
It is simply not true that most of the world lives in communal settings. Most of the world lives in urban areas. And with increasing world population, increasingly dense living environments. Again..it’s not about anything being ‘free’ or ‘low cost’. It’s time. It shouldn’t be time sacrificed from parents’ lives that leads to resentment and guilt and finally therapy (if the kids can afford it..but apparently everyone can and if not, they are pharmaceutically managed..) Group activities are not what raises a child. Learning interactions at every stage in life and not being instructed but observing life..children mimic their peers and the adults around them..if you put a child in front of a tv and with other kids, they will learn from them. Every child is a crap shot. The genetic gamble might pay off and it would be a rocket engineer or a psychopath or both..if society bears the financial cost of child rearing, parents are supposed to rear them well. The taxes we pay to run public schools, that’s the ‘village’ contributing. It’s not so the parents can go live their lives and work so they can send their sick children to school. I realize some are poor and need to work. So they must move and live a lifestyle they can afford. They need someone giving them financial counsel and job placement and guidance. But they are handing them off to the state to rear them and we are paying double and we are going to end up with sheep for the next generation with everyone being the same as they all conform to the state instructions. This scares me!
- sabujp 8y ago
  > Every child is a crap shot Feel free not to have kids, I definitely don't want parents who are so pessimistic and scared about the future that they won't even try > genetic gamble >99% not about genetics > handing them off to the state at least in more progressive areas the state/communities aren't out to make your child into a mindless drone
  - jelliclesfarm 8y ago
    Let’s stick to objective arguments without getting personal. It is knee jerk reactions and emotional entanglements that stop us from having meaningful discussions to dissect problems and find solutions.

by sabujp 8y ago

jelliclesfarm 8y ago

It is simply not true that most of the world lives in communal settings. Most of the world lives in urban areas. And with increasing world population, increasingly dense living environments. Again..it’s not about anything being ‘free’ or ‘low cost’. It’s time. It shouldn’t be time sacrificed from parents’ lives that leads to resentment and guilt and finally therapy (if the kids can afford it..but apparently everyone can and if not, they are pharmaceutically managed..) Group activities are not what raises a child. Learning interactions at every stage in life and not being instructed but observing life..children mimic their peers and the adults around them..if you put a child in front of a tv and with other kids, they will learn from them. Every child is a crap shot. The genetic gamble might pay off and it would be a rocket engineer or a psychopath or both..if society bears the financial cost of child rearing, parents are supposed to rear them well. The taxes we pay to run public schools, that’s the ‘village’ contributing. It’s not so the parents can go live their lives and work so they can send their sick children to school. I realize some are poor and need to work. So they must move and live a lifestyle they can afford. They need someone giving them financial counsel and job placement and guidance. But they are handing them off to the state to rear them and we are paying double and we are going to end up with sheep for the next generation with everyone being the same as they all conform to the state instructions. This scares me!

sabujp 8y ago
> Every child is a crap shot Feel free not to have kids, I definitely don't want parents who are so pessimistic and scared about the future that they won't even try > genetic gamble >99% not about genetics > handing them off to the state at least in more progressive areas the state/communities aren't out to make your child into a mindless drone
- jelliclesfarm 8y ago
  Let’s stick to objective arguments without getting personal. It is knee jerk reactions and emotional entanglements that stop us from having meaningful discussions to dissect problems and find solutions.