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The last good paying jobs in America are in software and the tech cartel in backhanded collusion with outsourcers are actively working to suppress the wages by

The last good paying jobs in America are in software and the tech cartel in backhanded collusion with outsourcers are actively working to suppress the wages by flooding the market pure and simple. 10 years ago I had a neighbor who at the time was 40 was a QA analyst and was earning decent wage fast forward 10 years he is driving Uber because his company brought in hundreds of new labor and gave him the option of “transferring” as a contractor to the outsourcing company where the starting hourly pay was $25 an hour. Simple supply and demand mechanics.

conanbatt 8y ago
I am so sad that you can't use the power of the state to prohibit your competition from getting jobs.
- IWeldMelons 8y ago
  But I am so happy you can use the power of the state to prohibit outraged plebs from going after you, after you moved their jobs overseas.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    Come get me.
- geebee 8y ago
  The h1b visa is a govt program that allows corporations to control who is allowed to move to the US and the conditions under which they are allowed to remain here. Corporations use this state bestowed power to prevent their workers from participating freely in labor markets. I am bewildered that anyone thinks there is a libertarian argument for this program. It’s power of the state, harnessed by corporations, to create a captive workforce shut out of full participation in a free economy.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    If you only made the H1B program costs on the account of the state, american citizens would do away with the whole thing altogether in a heartbeat.
  - 1024core 8y ago
    > I am bewildered that anyone thinks there is a libertarian argument for this program. Everyone's a libertarian until it's their own job on the line. Then they suddenly become conservative.
    - geebee 8y ago
      Maybe so. But you know, my impression is that it's stronger in the other direction, at least in tech. By and large, tech workers don't seem to think the world owes them a job, where they want to live, on the projects they'd like to pursue, at the wage they've decided is proper. Tech workers seem to understand they have to work hard to earn these positions. It seems to be the employers who think that the world owes them a worker where they want to locate, on the projects they decide should be done, at a wage they think is proper. Tech employers asked the market for lots and lots of developers in the valley at salaries too low to buy a house and raise a family, the market said no, so tech employers had the government ask the market for them. The government responded by creating a program where high tech controls skilled immigration through their HR departments, deciding who is allowed to live and work in the US and the circumstances under which they are allowed to remain. Sometimes I think libertarians get so caught up in unions and "socialism" that they are blinded to the antics of corporations and their unholy flirtation with state supported corporate control over workers' lives.
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        As a foreigner, I did take notice of the anti-H1B propaganda on Bart. It was also a call for tech unionization.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      Yup, this is most present in HN arguments. But that must be how lots of people feel but dont express in real life.
- dang 8y ago
  Please do not post to HN in the flamewar style, such as here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346626. It lowers discussion quality far below the level we're hoping for here, so we ban accounts that do it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting to HN, we'd be grateful.

conanbatt 8y ago

I am so sad that you can't use the power of the state to prohibit your competition from getting jobs.

IWeldMelons 8y ago
But I am so happy you can use the power of the state to prohibit outraged plebs from going after you, after you moved their jobs overseas.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  Come get me.
geebee 8y ago
The h1b visa is a govt program that allows corporations to control who is allowed to move to the US and the conditions under which they are allowed to remain here. Corporations use this state bestowed power to prevent their workers from participating freely in labor markets. I am bewildered that anyone thinks there is a libertarian argument for this program. It’s power of the state, harnessed by corporations, to create a captive workforce shut out of full participation in a free economy.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  If you only made the H1B program costs on the account of the state, american citizens would do away with the whole thing altogether in a heartbeat.
- 1024core 8y ago
  > I am bewildered that anyone thinks there is a libertarian argument for this program. Everyone's a libertarian until it's their own job on the line. Then they suddenly become conservative.
  - geebee 8y ago
    Maybe so. But you know, my impression is that it's stronger in the other direction, at least in tech. By and large, tech workers don't seem to think the world owes them a job, where they want to live, on the projects they'd like to pursue, at the wage they've decided is proper. Tech workers seem to understand they have to work hard to earn these positions. It seems to be the employers who think that the world owes them a worker where they want to locate, on the projects they decide should be done, at a wage they think is proper. Tech employers asked the market for lots and lots of developers in the valley at salaries too low to buy a house and raise a family, the market said no, so tech employers had the government ask the market for them. The government responded by creating a program where high tech controls skilled immigration through their HR departments, deciding who is allowed to live and work in the US and the circumstances under which they are allowed to remain. Sometimes I think libertarians get so caught up in unions and "socialism" that they are blinded to the antics of corporations and their unholy flirtation with state supported corporate control over workers' lives.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      As a foreigner, I did take notice of the anti-H1B propaganda on Bart. It was also a call for tech unionization.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    Yup, this is most present in HN arguments. But that must be how lots of people feel but dont express in real life.
dang 8y ago
Please do not post to HN in the flamewar style, such as here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346626. It lowers discussion quality far below the level we're hoping for here, so we ban accounts that do it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting to HN, we'd be grateful.