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Along with this and the previous GDPR, Does it mean that EU is more concerned about the Privacy of its citizens than any other Nation ? Because everywhere else

by amrrs 8y ago

Along with this and the previous GDPR, Does it mean that EU is more concerned about the Privacy of its citizens than any other Nation ? Because everywhere else we see a pattern of Privacy invasion but EU has always been the front runner in setting up benchmark of how PII data should be handld.

napolux 8y ago
> Along with this and the previous GDPR, Does it mean that EU is more concerned about the Privacy of its citizens than any other Nation? Well, yes.
jaabe 8y ago
Yes and no, the EU is more concerned with intrusion into citizen privacy from the private sector than any other large player. As far as the public sector goes, however, the GDPR is mainly meant to increase security surrounding citizen privacy. You can’t demand to have your criminal record deleted for instance, and there is a range of privacy data like that which serves a purpose within the public sector. The EU is fine with that, and possibly more so than the US, but the EU does want to keep it safer than has previously been the case. Mostly because the European public sector didn’t meet really take these security requirements seriously enough on its own. The GDPR didn’t really change the rules for the public sector, it rather increased the penalty for not following them. There is an old saying that in the US people trust their corporations and not their governments. It’s the opposite in Europe.
- omeid2 8y ago
  It is interesting though, because even at least in theory, you vote for your government but not the corporations.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    You vote with your money
    - omeid2 8y ago
      Yes, in capitalism theory, where individuals are rational entities that can comprehend, afford, and consider the consequences of their choices without being swayed by advertisement or their economic situation. In practice, people buy the best value thing for now without giving much thought or as a general rule being able to comprehend the long term impact of it on their own, let alone the society as whole. This is why we you need and have anti-trust, consumer protection, and various other laws and systems to protect consumers.
      - ttoinou 8y ago
        without being swayed by advertisement or their economic situation Are you implying that the political world is not advertising and lying all the time, and that our political choices not influenced by our economic situation ? In practice, people buy the best value thing for now without giving much thought or as a general rule being able to comprehend the long term impact of it on their own, let alone the society as whole The same for politics
        omeid2 8y ago
        Except governments don't move to tax heavens or other countries when things tank. It is in the interest of governments to maintain a viable economy and society, not so for private sector. That difference alone is enough to not do this silly "if you don't trust corporations then your government is the same" bs rhetoric. We don't even need to talk about due process and duty of care.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        If there wasn't a government (other problems of that aside), the corporation wouldn't have to move. Simply put, it's a clash of two worlds - as we all know. BTW what is the corporation supposed to do? Take the bullet? Why the hell would they do that? Would you personally do that? Economic migration is absolutely normal, especially today. Are you angry that people are moving away because things tank? I suppose not. Guess what? A corporation is made up of people.
  - ttoinou 8y ago
    You buy stuff from corporations everyday, at least in theory.
- franky47 8y ago
  I wouldn't go as far as to say we "trust" our governments. But having privacy tools to ensure both corporations and governments stay off the path to mass data collection on their users/citizens can only be a good thing. It's a double-sided argument however, on one hand the EU shows some interest in privacy, but member states still allow anti-privacy laws to be introduced in the name of "security" [1]. [1] https://www.laquadrature.net/censureterro/ https://www.laquadrature.net/censureterro/ (French)
omeid2 8y ago
I think it is more than just Privacy. Privacy concerns are just a byproduct of policies that puts individuals over corporations, people over cars, and so forth.
ttoinou 8y ago
They could be more concerned, doesn't mean what they'll do will be beneficial to our privacy. In this example the money they gave to Proton was taken from others that can't invest it themselves. Nation Oh boy
ballooney 8y ago
The EU is not a nation.
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  There are plenty of people in the EU who actually consider themselves a "EU citizen". Like me, born in Poland, lived in the UK, Belgium and now Germany.

by amrrs 8y ago

napolux 8y ago

> Along with this and the previous GDPR, Does it mean that EU is more concerned about the Privacy of its citizens than any other Nation? Well, yes.

jaabe 8y ago

Yes and no, the EU is more concerned with intrusion into citizen privacy from the private sector than any other large player. As far as the public sector goes, however, the GDPR is mainly meant to increase security surrounding citizen privacy. You can’t demand to have your criminal record deleted for instance, and there is a range of privacy data like that which serves a purpose within the public sector. The EU is fine with that, and possibly more so than the US, but the EU does want to keep it safer than has previously been the case. Mostly because the European public sector didn’t meet really take these security requirements seriously enough on its own. The GDPR didn’t really change the rules for the public sector, it rather increased the penalty for not following them. There is an old saying that in the US people trust their corporations and not their governments. It’s the opposite in Europe.

omeid2 8y ago
It is interesting though, because even at least in theory, you vote for your government but not the corporations.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  You vote with your money
  - omeid2 8y ago
    Yes, in capitalism theory, where individuals are rational entities that can comprehend, afford, and consider the consequences of their choices without being swayed by advertisement or their economic situation. In practice, people buy the best value thing for now without giving much thought or as a general rule being able to comprehend the long term impact of it on their own, let alone the society as whole. This is why we you need and have anti-trust, consumer protection, and various other laws and systems to protect consumers.
    - ttoinou 8y ago
      without being swayed by advertisement or their economic situation Are you implying that the political world is not advertising and lying all the time, and that our political choices not influenced by our economic situation ? In practice, people buy the best value thing for now without giving much thought or as a general rule being able to comprehend the long term impact of it on their own, let alone the society as whole The same for politics
      - omeid2 8y ago
        Except governments don't move to tax heavens or other countries when things tank. It is in the interest of governments to maintain a viable economy and society, not so for private sector. That difference alone is enough to not do this silly "if you don't trust corporations then your government is the same" bs rhetoric. We don't even need to talk about due process and duty of care.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        If there wasn't a government (other problems of that aside), the corporation wouldn't have to move. Simply put, it's a clash of two worlds - as we all know. BTW what is the corporation supposed to do? Take the bullet? Why the hell would they do that? Would you personally do that? Economic migration is absolutely normal, especially today. Are you angry that people are moving away because things tank? I suppose not. Guess what? A corporation is made up of people.
- ttoinou 8y ago
  You buy stuff from corporations everyday, at least in theory.
franky47 8y ago
I wouldn't go as far as to say we "trust" our governments. But having privacy tools to ensure both corporations and governments stay off the path to mass data collection on their users/citizens can only be a good thing. It's a double-sided argument however, on one hand the EU shows some interest in privacy, but member states still allow anti-privacy laws to be introduced in the name of "security" [1]. [1] https://www.laquadrature.net/censureterro/ https://www.laquadrature.net/censureterro/ (French)

omeid2 8y ago

I think it is more than just Privacy. Privacy concerns are just a byproduct of policies that puts individuals over corporations, people over cars, and so forth.

ttoinou 8y ago

They could be more concerned, doesn't mean what they'll do will be beneficial to our privacy. In this example the money they gave to Proton was taken from others that can't invest it themselves. Nation Oh boy

ballooney 8y ago

The EU is not a nation.

rad_gruchalski 8y ago
There are plenty of people in the EU who actually consider themselves a "EU citizen". Like me, born in Poland, lived in the UK, Belgium and now Germany.