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They don’t need to game the system. The legislations are written by lobbyists with convenient loopholes. Unfortunately for this guy this mega outsourcer has ton

They don’t need to game the system. The legislations are written by lobbyists with convenient loopholes. Unfortunately for this guy this mega outsourcer has ton of legal firepower to wiggle out of this.

thewhitetulip 8y ago
And lot of money too, for lobbying
conanbatt 8y ago
There isnt many loopholes to the H1B. Most people that want it dont get it.
- stefan_ 8y ago
  Yet, outsourcing companies that are decidedly not hiring rare talent gobble up the majority of it.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    A tip of the iceberg. United states could import 2 million doctors easily (there is a market for it) and it would be the full H1b quota forever. What I don't understand is what is defensible about putting any non-demographic limit at all. Why 80k and not 160k?
    - pm90 8y ago
      There's no good reason, its politics. If one party says they want to increase the limit, the other party will say: well, just give us this instead and we will increase the limit. And if neither party cares very much or has other priorities, this issue just keeps remaining where it is.
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        Thats one interpretation. After all, immigrants don't vote.
        ycombonator 8y ago
        They don’t get to. You don’t immigrate to China on a work visa and get to vote and dictate their destiny.
        pm90 8y ago
        Interesting. Would you say that the immigrant in question should: * pay local and federal taxes * pay into the social security benefit system (if such a system exists) If yes, would you still say that they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
        ycombonator 8y ago
        “Paying taxes” is a common theme used to support argument in favor of letting temporary immigrants vote in their host country. I am still searching for a country that lets it’s temporary immigrants vote before they are naturalized. There is an argument to made to tax the working immigrants. They use the public benefits of the host country - free public education, law enforcement, judiciary, libraries, roads and various other benefits. And finally they are not obligated to pay taxes if they don’t like to, they can simply return to their country.
        pm90 8y ago
        Your arguments are totally garbage because the recommendations are fundamentally untenable. Yeah,if those pesky immigrants want to vote they should just go back, right. I regret having entertained the semblance of an intelligent debate.

thewhitetulip 8y ago

And lot of money too, for lobbying

conanbatt 8y ago

There isnt many loopholes to the H1B. Most people that want it dont get it.

stefan_ 8y ago
Yet, outsourcing companies that are decidedly not hiring rare talent gobble up the majority of it.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  A tip of the iceberg. United states could import 2 million doctors easily (there is a market for it) and it would be the full H1b quota forever. What I don't understand is what is defensible about putting any non-demographic limit at all. Why 80k and not 160k?
  - pm90 8y ago
    There's no good reason, its politics. If one party says they want to increase the limit, the other party will say: well, just give us this instead and we will increase the limit. And if neither party cares very much or has other priorities, this issue just keeps remaining where it is.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      Thats one interpretation. After all, immigrants don't vote.
      - ycombonator 8y ago
        They don’t get to. You don’t immigrate to China on a work visa and get to vote and dictate their destiny.
        pm90 8y ago
        Interesting. Would you say that the immigrant in question should: * pay local and federal taxes * pay into the social security benefit system (if such a system exists) If yes, would you still say that they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
        ycombonator 8y ago
        “Paying taxes” is a common theme used to support argument in favor of letting temporary immigrants vote in their host country. I am still searching for a country that lets it’s temporary immigrants vote before they are naturalized. There is an argument to made to tax the working immigrants. They use the public benefits of the host country - free public education, law enforcement, judiciary, libraries, roads and various other benefits. And finally they are not obligated to pay taxes if they don’t like to, they can simply return to their country.
        pm90 8y ago
        Your arguments are totally garbage because the recommendations are fundamentally untenable. Yeah,if those pesky immigrants want to vote they should just go back, right. I regret having entertained the semblance of an intelligent debate.