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I support most of the liberal platform, but in recent years a large portion of the party's base has turned into a cesspool of hatred, cynicism, and thoughtless

by _bxg1 8y ago

I support most of the liberal platform, but in recent years a large portion of the party's base has turned into a cesspool of hatred, cynicism, and thoughtless reactionism. We used to be the party of idealism and belief in people's basic goodness. What the hell happened?

ip26 8y ago
We used to be the party of [...] belief in people's basic goodness. What the hell happened? It's difficult to believe in the basic goodness of the people that make up the current president's base. The loss in 2016 was a wake up call for Democrats in many ways. Including that maybe a lot of things they held to be true, weren't actually.
FakeComments 8y ago
It became more important to hate white people and what they stood for than participate in Enlightenment culture, so they happily regressed to the cultural norms of, say, the Middle East or South America. Multiculturalism and post-truth thinking was always insane nonsense, and the leftists have been drinking that koolaid for two decades, at least. To hold up cultures that cut off clitorises in the bush and burn witches, or cultures which stone people and attack women with acid, or cultures which participate in unusual amounts of violence as co-equal to the culture which put us on the moon has consequences — but is a core part of a deeply racist leftist platform, that identifies racial groups with an essentialist culture, eg “black culture”, and views the co-existence of those “racially essential cultures” as the only means of racial co-existence. As part of that, they formed alliances with questionable groups, such as the “black caucus”, which has long had links to black supremicists and have advocated for racist policies, and similarly sexist feminist groups, eg ones which advocate for female privilege in education even though men have trailed in college degrees since the 1980s. So, basically, in the 1980s Democrats decided to build a party of racism and sexism to capitalize on social change, and we’re seeing the consequences a generation later. People warned that this would be the outcome, but people were “right” and knew better.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Aaand this is why we can't have nice things.
- moh_maya 8y ago
  The argument you appear to be making (as I interpret it) is equivalent to saying some members of the Freedom caucus support neo-Nazis / "alt-right", therefore all conservatives are now proponents of eugenics & "white nationalism" or some equivalently loaded term. I mean, democrats are still white, by large majorities..so they "hate themselves"? Such simplistic analysis of something so complicated seems.. trivialization to the point of no meaning. This just appears to be trolling for effect's sake..or venting. I know HN's guidelines suggest not attributing motive..but this appears to be such a rancorous post..
  - FakeComments 8y ago
    Can you name a conservative policy similar to the sexist policies of favoring women in education while they dominate college and high school graduation rates, or that matches the unconstitutional racial quota system in the 90s and still illegally carried on by Harvard? I can’t. Nor was I alleging what you seem to think — I was alleging that the Democrats through those alliances carried out systematically bigoted policies, not merely advocated for them. There doesn’t seem to be a modern right wing equivalent to those acts of systematic bigotry from leftists, but I suspect that leftists frequently talk about right wing bigotry as a cover for their own. By having a popular myth of right wing racism or sexism, they provide social cover for their intentional bigotry. However, whatever talk there might be on the right wing, the intentionally sexist or racist policies actually passed into legislation seem to be left wing.
    - dang 8y ago
      Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19347364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19347364
    - hnuser123457 8y ago
      These guys have been so far up their own assholes for so long that they find anyone complaining of the smell to not only be rude but also insane.
unclebucknasty 8y ago
This comment, the parent, and many others on this thread sound eerily alike and similar to those propagated by trolls and bots during the failed WalkAway campaign.
- _bxg1 8y ago
  You can view my comment history to see that I'm not a troll or a bot. This is a criticism of the left by a liberal who fears for his own party's soul.

by _bxg1 8y ago

ip26 8y ago

We used to be the party of [...] belief in people's basic goodness. What the hell happened? It's difficult to believe in the basic goodness of the people that make up the current president's base. The loss in 2016 was a wake up call for Democrats in many ways. Including that maybe a lot of things they held to be true, weren't actually.

FakeComments 8y ago

It became more important to hate white people and what they stood for than participate in Enlightenment culture, so they happily regressed to the cultural norms of, say, the Middle East or South America. Multiculturalism and post-truth thinking was always insane nonsense, and the leftists have been drinking that koolaid for two decades, at least. To hold up cultures that cut off clitorises in the bush and burn witches, or cultures which stone people and attack women with acid, or cultures which participate in unusual amounts of violence as co-equal to the culture which put us on the moon has consequences — but is a core part of a deeply racist leftist platform, that identifies racial groups with an essentialist culture, eg “black culture”, and views the co-existence of those “racially essential cultures” as the only means of racial co-existence. As part of that, they formed alliances with questionable groups, such as the “black caucus”, which has long had links to black supremicists and have advocated for racist policies, and similarly sexist feminist groups, eg ones which advocate for female privilege in education even though men have trailed in college degrees since the 1980s. So, basically, in the 1980s Democrats decided to build a party of racism and sexism to capitalize on social change, and we’re seeing the consequences a generation later. People warned that this would be the outcome, but people were “right” and knew better.

pjc50 8y ago
Aaand this is why we can't have nice things.
moh_maya 8y ago
The argument you appear to be making (as I interpret it) is equivalent to saying some members of the Freedom caucus support neo-Nazis / "alt-right", therefore all conservatives are now proponents of eugenics & "white nationalism" or some equivalently loaded term. I mean, democrats are still white, by large majorities..so they "hate themselves"? Such simplistic analysis of something so complicated seems.. trivialization to the point of no meaning. This just appears to be trolling for effect's sake..or venting. I know HN's guidelines suggest not attributing motive..but this appears to be such a rancorous post..
- FakeComments 8y ago
  Can you name a conservative policy similar to the sexist policies of favoring women in education while they dominate college and high school graduation rates, or that matches the unconstitutional racial quota system in the 90s and still illegally carried on by Harvard? I can’t. Nor was I alleging what you seem to think — I was alleging that the Democrats through those alliances carried out systematically bigoted policies, not merely advocated for them. There doesn’t seem to be a modern right wing equivalent to those acts of systematic bigotry from leftists, but I suspect that leftists frequently talk about right wing bigotry as a cover for their own. By having a popular myth of right wing racism or sexism, they provide social cover for their intentional bigotry. However, whatever talk there might be on the right wing, the intentionally sexist or racist policies actually passed into legislation seem to be left wing.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19347364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19347364
  - hnuser123457 8y ago
    These guys have been so far up their own assholes for so long that they find anyone complaining of the smell to not only be rude but also insane.

unclebucknasty 8y ago

This comment, the parent, and many others on this thread sound eerily alike and similar to those propagated by trolls and bots during the failed WalkAway campaign.

_bxg1 8y ago
You can view my comment history to see that I'm not a troll or a bot. This is a criticism of the left by a liberal who fears for his own party's soul.