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This is a great example of why it's irritating when people suggest antifeatures like telemetry or cumulative updates justify using old obsolete operating system
by Silhouette 8y ago
This is a great example of why it's irritating when people suggest antifeatures like telemetry or cumulative updates justify using old obsolete operating systems.
I'm sorry you find it irritating. The fact remains that we have experienced far more downtime due to Microsoft than due to malicious attackers, consistently, over many years now. Moreover, the only actual data loss we have experienced was also due to Microsoft, and the only attempted data exfiltration that we have detected has been due to software telemetry, with by far the worst offender being Microsoft.
Microsoft's behaviour in trying to promote an OS that forces updates even if they are broken, forces reboots even if you're in the middle of a long job, and requires uploading any sort of data of any kind to Microsoft without your meaningful consent is literally indistinguishable from malware. On an objective risk analysis, based on consistent patterns of actual behaviour over an extended period and known information about the behaviour of and intent behind Windows 10, I'll take my ten-year-old OS (where, by the way, we still have the option to not install either telemetry or non-security updates) over your antifeature-laden junk any day.
If you think I'm being unreasonable here, ask yourself why Windows 10 Enterprise doesn't require any of those antifeatures to be used.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoYou may be mixing home and business cases here. But presumably if these issues are important, you should be licensing Windows 10 Enterprise, and disabling any components you dislike. From my personal experience, almost all of Windows 10's annoyances are relatively trivial to manage in a domain environment (if you've ever had a forced reboot on a domain, you just don't know how to manage a domain, Enterprise licensing is not required to manage updates fully) and I would say our overall system stability has gone up probably tenfold since shifting to a fully Windows 10 environment, alongside switching to solid state drives.
- Silhouette 8y agoBut presumably if these issues are important, you should be licensing Windows 10 Enterprise. Small businesses and independent professionals typically don't have that option. This is the traditional market for Pro editions of Windows, but unlike previous versions, Windows 10 Pro is more like Windows 10 Home plus a bit than Windows 10 Enterprise minus a bit. If Microsoft released a version of Windows 10 Pro that was actually aimed at professionals and treated us as such, we'd have no problem upgrading. As long as Microsoft presumes to have more control of our equipment than us, we'll continue with our programme of phasing out Windows and migrating to other platforms wherever possible. The technical improvements in 10 are not in dispute, but the analogy of making a house perfectly secure by removing all the doors and windows comes to mind.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoAs I said in my original comment, I see no problem with moving to other platforms. I do see a problem with using obsolete, insecure operating systems like Windows 7. :) Also, note that I do maintain an environment with Pro licensing, not Enterprise. So I am both aware of the limitations, and the steps needed to mitigate them.
- Silhouette 8y agoAlso, note that I do maintain an environment with Pro licensing, not Enterprise. So I am both aware of the limitations, and the steps needed to mitigate them. If you know how to mitigate the antifeatures like forced updates, reboots and telemetry in Windows 10 Pro in a supported and future-proof way, please share. I'm sure a lot of people would like to know!
- nikanj 8y ago”If you hate being kicked in the nads every patch tuesday, just pay the kicker extra to skip you”
- kevin_thibedeau 8y agoI have forced reboots all the time on my work machine. They can be deferred but eventually it happens.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoThat may how your IT department has chosen to configure updates then. In a domain environment, you can configure about thirty options for how Windows Update works including what options the user has and whether or not to reboot automaticially, and approve individual updates at any given time you like. Updates can absolutely be held indefinitely.