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Oakland is dangerous and gross compared to SF, and that's saying something as I found heroin needles next to a bench eating lunch in a beautiful office courtyar

Oakland is dangerous and gross compared to SF, and that's saying something as I found heroin needles next to a bench eating lunch in a beautiful office courtyard. I was accosted outside of the Oakland station in broad daylight and local police couldn't have cared less. "The violent crime rate in Oakland, California, is 1,421 per 100,000 residents. Forty-nine people were murdered in the city in 2016." https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/32/ https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-i... Please let's make smarter choices about where to move businesses to, given numerous options. Oakland definitely should not be one of them.

hk__2 8y ago
Wouldn’t moving some businesses there eventually lower the crime rates? Violent crime is twice higher in Oakland, but property crime is about the same: 5,983 per 100,000 in Oakland [1]; 5,715 in SF [2] (6,168 according to [3]). [1] https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/ [2] https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rate-and-property-crime-rate https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rat... [3] https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/crime/
- massivecali 8y ago
  How would moving more businesses there lower the crime rate? Poverty is always touted as the source of crime in communities, but businesses moving from SF to Oakland wouldn't be employing Joe/Jolene poor person. If anything, doing so would just rehash the standard complaint about gentrification and alienation of current residents.
- baby 8y ago
  didn't work at all for SF.
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dmode 8y ago
49 people seems dramatically low for Oakland. For context Chicago had 500 murders in 2016 or 2017 I believe. Although Chicago has a higher population but not 10x Oakland
- baby 8y ago
  Chicago is wayyyyyy bigger than Oakland. population of Chicago: 2.716 million (2017) population of Oakland: 425,195 (2017)

hk__2 8y ago

Wouldn’t moving some businesses there eventually lower the crime rates? Violent crime is twice higher in Oakland, but property crime is about the same: 5,983 per 100,000 in Oakland [1]; 5,715 in SF [2] (6,168 according to [3]). [1] https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/ [2] https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rate-and-property-crime-rate https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rat... [3] https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/crime/ https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/crime/

massivecali 8y ago
How would moving more businesses there lower the crime rate? Poverty is always touted as the source of crime in communities, but businesses moving from SF to Oakland wouldn't be employing Joe/Jolene poor person. If anything, doing so would just rehash the standard complaint about gentrification and alienation of current residents.
baby 8y ago
didn't work at all for SF.

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dmode 8y ago

49 people seems dramatically low for Oakland. For context Chicago had 500 murders in 2016 or 2017 I believe. Although Chicago has a higher population but not 10x Oakland

baby 8y ago
Chicago is wayyyyyy bigger than Oakland. population of Chicago: 2.716 million (2017) population of Oakland: 425,195 (2017)