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> And honestly, I would be more concerned about hiring someone who built their own bespoke framework from scratch than someone who used an existing one It's al

by jgust 8y ago

> And honestly, I would be more concerned about hiring someone who built their own bespoke framework from scratch than someone who used an existing one It's almost like you're pretending the years between 2008-2012 never happened, but I'm sure that's not the case.

scarface74 8y ago
In 2008 I was in my mid 30s, had been working at one job for nine years as a C/C++ bit twiddler and writing COM/DCOM objects that interop’d with VB - in other words I had a skillset they was woefully out of date. I got lucky and found a job that let me pivot into being a modern “enterprise developer” and barely survived rounds of layoffs for the next three years. I learned my lesson. For the last 10 years I’ve kept my resume competitive with whatever the $cool_kids technology is and haven’t had a problem competing in the market.
Joe-Z 8y ago
What are you referring to?
- sk5t 8y ago
  Ditto, if something extremely special happened in the years 2008-2012 with regard to frameworks, its cataclysmic significance seems to have escaped my notice. Rails? /shrugs
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    I think maybe they are just referring to the fact that in that era pretty much everyone had to build their own "framework" to get a big web app up, because there weren't a lot of established choices.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Between 2008-2012 there was ASP.Net Web Forms and MVC was becoming popular. I didn’t play in the Java space back then but there were plenty of Java frameworks (https://dzone.com/articles/what-serverside-java-web-framework-will-be-next-2008 https://dzone.com/articles/what-serverside-java-web-framewor...) Ruby on Rails was released in 2005. Knockout JS was introduced in 2010. Django was released in 2005. There was also Mojolicous for Perl also released in 2008.
    - jgust 8y ago
      This is what I meant, apologies for being cryptic. Web/JS development was absolute chaos, it just so happened that Facebook & Google won the day and we've converged on some "standards" in React/Vue/Angular, and I use that term very loosely. The things I've seen. shudders

by jgust 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago

In 2008 I was in my mid 30s, had been working at one job for nine years as a C/C++ bit twiddler and writing COM/DCOM objects that interop’d with VB - in other words I had a skillset they was woefully out of date. I got lucky and found a job that let me pivot into being a modern “enterprise developer” and barely survived rounds of layoffs for the next three years. I learned my lesson. For the last 10 years I’ve kept my resume competitive with whatever the $cool_kids technology is and haven’t had a problem competing in the market.

Joe-Z 8y ago

What are you referring to?

sk5t 8y ago
Ditto, if something extremely special happened in the years 2008-2012 with regard to frameworks, its cataclysmic significance seems to have escaped my notice. Rails? /shrugs
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  I think maybe they are just referring to the fact that in that era pretty much everyone had to build their own "framework" to get a big web app up, because there weren't a lot of established choices.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Between 2008-2012 there was ASP.Net Web Forms and MVC was becoming popular. I didn’t play in the Java space back then but there were plenty of Java frameworks (https://dzone.com/articles/what-serverside-java-web-framework-will-be-next-2008 https://dzone.com/articles/what-serverside-java-web-framewor...) Ruby on Rails was released in 2005. Knockout JS was introduced in 2010. Django was released in 2005. There was also Mojolicous for Perl also released in 2008.
  - jgust 8y ago
    This is what I meant, apologies for being cryptic. Web/JS development was absolute chaos, it just so happened that Facebook & Google won the day and we've converged on some "standards" in React/Vue/Angular, and I use that term very loosely. The things I've seen. shudders