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The problem with the Fermi paradox is that it requires you to assume the existence of spacefaring civilizations, with all the expected technology. The possibili
by PavlikPaja 8y ago
The problem with the Fermi paradox is that it requires you to assume the existence of spacefaring civilizations, with all the expected technology. The possibilities are just to many, and we only know relatively well our own solar system, we don't know how normal it is (recent observations suggests it could be at least kind of odd) or how normal Earth is. As it is quoted, Earth for us is all there is and it would seem completely normal to us even if for any well educated alien it could look obviously artificial.
The Black planet hypothesis: There are planets intentionally cut off the bigger society. Spacefaring civilizations are largely immortal, and would be kept in an evolutionary stasis, so there are planets that are intentionally kept isolated and prisoners are kept on them in a pre galactic stage as a way to keep evolving.
Impending doom hypothesis: An immense catastrophe is expected to happen in the general area, and all the surrounding space has been evacuated.
Presumed recluse hypothesis: Our solar system is recognized as obviously artificial, yet attempts to communicate are met with no response. We are perceived as unwilling to communicate and intentionally left alone.
Planets are primitive hypothesis: More advanced civilizations have no interest in settling planets, planets are seen as primitive as living in a rainforest is to us, while advanced civilizations normally live in artificial habitats.
Unpleasant star hypothesis: The solar wind, neutrino flow or other forms of radiation may be disruptive to highly advanced technology, so the sources are avoided unless necessary.
- pavel_lishin 8y ago> it requires you to assume the existence of spacefaring civilizations That's one of the variables in the Fermi equation. Set it to zero, and the paradox vanishes.
- PavlikPaja 8y agoWell, yeah. "with all the expected technology" is the important part.
- pavel_lishin 8y agoThat's another variable.
- PavlikPaja 8y agoI'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you disagree with me on something?
- pavel_lishin 8y agoThe Fermi Paradox requires you to assume a lot of things that we just don't know. They're all variables; you just named two of the more interesting and contentious variables out there. Until recently, even the average number of planets around a given star was really unknown; arguably, it's still an incredibly fuzzy figure, one that changes constantly as our telescopes and observation methods improve. There's no one "THE" problem with the Fermi Paradox.
- reallydude 8y ago> The Fermi Paradox requires you to assume a lot of things that we just don't know. Dont agree on* There is an averge number of planets. The problem some people have is in regard to sample size.
- PavlikPaja 8y agoIt is "the" problem, as it makes it impossible to tell what is natural and what is intentionally created by advanced civilizations, making it impossible to know if the paradox even exists at all, since we may be looking at "obvious" signs of alien activity, yet be completely incapable of recognizing them as such.