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The math doesn't check out. Emirates offers first on their whole fleet. They have ~240 daily departures (best I can work out).We can assume they have 4+ pax per

The math doesn't check out. Emirates offers first on their whole fleet. They have ~240 daily departures (best I can work out).We can assume they have 4+ pax per departure (their planes have 8-14 first seats and are have decent load factors, so my estimates is likely way lower than reality to be safe). This adds up to 1,000+ first class departures daily, and that's without counting people who have access based on status.

ricardobeat 8y ago
Those are daily numbers, the parent said “at any given time”, so both of your numbers seem to match.
m-s 8y ago
That's incorrect. Emirates operates some aircraft with a two-class configuration.
- kenneth 8y ago
  Not yet. They will be when they take delivery of new planes and reconfigure their 772LR, but as of right now they only fly 777s and 380s in 3-class configuration. Perhaps you're thinking of Etihad or Qatar or EK's partner flydubai. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet
samstave 8y ago
SFO has open data on traffic: https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/SFO-Gate-and-Stand-Assignment-Information/chfu-j7tc https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/SFO-Gate-and-Stand-Ass... https://www.flysfo.com/media/facts-statistics/air-traffic-statistics/2018 https://www.flysfo.com/media/facts-statistics/air-traffic-st... https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/Air-Traffic-Landings-Statistics/fpux-q53t https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/Air-Traffic-Landings-S...
arcticbull 8y ago
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant "up to, at any given time". Yep, 240 daily departures is about right, 8-14F is easy too because of their consistent fleet. They've also got load factors around 77% [1]. The first class terminal is inside Concourse A (and IIRC, it's a long way to any other concourses). There's 12 gates at Concourse A IIRC (each with direct boarding from the lounge). Assuming each is an A380 with 12F, that's a peak of 144 people, or right around 110 assuming F load factors are consistent with their fleet average (although I seriously doubt it). It's napkin math obviously, without access to internal data. It's also not so easy as averaging because Emirates operates a partially banked hub at Dubai so there's a whole bunch of arrivals and departures clustered together (check their early morning departures). The "not having to see/deal with other people while you're waited on" is the value proposition of the DXB F lounge. Each of the top-tier global airlines has a different service philosophy for catering to high-value pax. For instance, Singapore waits on you hand and foot hoping to anticipate anything you could want. Cathay Pacific on the other hand FAs tend to leave you alone assuming you value your privacy, and you're supposed to use the call button (which is basically a starters pistol -- seriously, they'll be there in 7 seconds flat). [1] https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-group-announces-2017-18-results https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-group-announc...

ricardobeat 8y ago

Those are daily numbers, the parent said “at any given time”, so both of your numbers seem to match.

m-s 8y ago

That's incorrect. Emirates operates some aircraft with a two-class configuration.

kenneth 8y ago
Not yet. They will be when they take delivery of new planes and reconfigure their 772LR, but as of right now they only fly 777s and 380s in 3-class configuration. Perhaps you're thinking of Etihad or Qatar or EK's partner flydubai. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet

samstave 8y ago

SFO has open data on traffic: https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/SFO-Gate-and-Stand-Assignment-Information/chfu-j7tc https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/SFO-Gate-and-Stand-Ass... https://www.flysfo.com/media/facts-statistics/air-traffic-statistics/2018 https://www.flysfo.com/media/facts-statistics/air-traffic-st... https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/Air-Traffic-Landings-Statistics/fpux-q53t https://data.sfgov.org/Transportation/Air-Traffic-Landings-S...

arcticbull 8y ago

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant "up to, at any given time". Yep, 240 daily departures is about right, 8-14F is easy too because of their consistent fleet. They've also got load factors around 77% [1]. The first class terminal is inside Concourse A (and IIRC, it's a long way to any other concourses). There's 12 gates at Concourse A IIRC (each with direct boarding from the lounge). Assuming each is an A380 with 12F, that's a peak of 144 people, or right around 110 assuming F load factors are consistent with their fleet average (although I seriously doubt it). It's napkin math obviously, without access to internal data. It's also not so easy as averaging because Emirates operates a partially banked hub at Dubai so there's a whole bunch of arrivals and departures clustered together (check their early morning departures). The "not having to see/deal with other people while you're waited on" is the value proposition of the DXB F lounge. Each of the top-tier global airlines has a different service philosophy for catering to high-value pax. For instance, Singapore waits on you hand and foot hoping to anticipate anything you could want. Cathay Pacific on the other hand FAs tend to leave you alone assuming you value your privacy, and you're supposed to use the call button (which is basically a starters pistol -- seriously, they'll be there in 7 seconds flat). [1] https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-group-announces-2017-18-results https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-group-announc...