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She has no proof, she does not need any. this is typical politician using FUD to scare the populace into letting them take actions which in the end only go to b

She has no proof, she does not need any. this is typical politician using FUD to scare the populace into letting them take actions which in the end only go to bolster their own campaign coffers and personal riches. With the upcoming Presidential campaign you can expect politicians tripping over each other using jealously and fear to get people to plea for action. Amazon is not a Standard Oil by any measure as they have ample competition when it comes to online sales. Facebook is still an opt in environment. If you don't want to join facebook you don't have to and no retailer is dumb enough (well that might not be true but I haven't found one) to require you to be a facebook member to purchase products or services. Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to.

matchbok 8y ago
That's not how antitrust works. At all.
- throwawaymath 8y ago
  How does antitrust work?
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stilist 8y ago
Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally lose millions or billions a year in order to dominate a market segment?
- sigstoat 8y ago
  if you rephrase that as "Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally give consumers millions or billions of value a year in order to dominate a market segment?" it seems sort of generous? they're taking all this money from venture capitalists funding startups running on AWS, and pumping it into their retail operation so that the working class can have cheaper goods. and everyone involved in the process consents to it, even!
logicchains 8y ago
>Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to. When threads like this come up I always wonder how the engineers who worked on Bing must feel. I'd feel pretty disheartened if people had such a low opinion of my product that my competitor was considered a monopoly.
- tzumby 8y ago
  I read an article a while back about the team behind Bing. I think they had some of the best people working there and they must feel pretty proud. I think after the project picket up and they started managing them from top up most of them left. I tried looking for the article but can’t find it anymore
- fluffycat 8y ago
  I think Bing engineers laugh uncontrollably when people at HN claims DuckDuckGo is a search engine.
  - ajhurliman 8y ago
    Seems like they're doing fine https://duckduckgo.com/traffic https://duckduckgo.com/traffic
    - lawrenceyan 8y ago
      No, the reason OP made that comment is because duckduckgo uses Bing by default to power its search. So duckduckgo is literally just Bing with a duck taped over it basically.
      - fluffycat 8y ago
        Exactly.
      - ajhurliman 8y ago
        Oh, I didn't know, thanks for that
wongarsu 8y ago
> Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to I don't have a problem with the dominance of their search engine. I have problems with them using their search engine and other platforms to prompt you to use Chrome, or how they use their quasi-monopoly on Android app marketplaces to force manufacturers to preload just about every Google App in existance on Android phones. Then there's various Google services (some of them near monopolies) performing much worse on anything but Chrome. If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another.
- jhall1468 8y ago
  > If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another. So does every department and grocery store in the US, and they have for decades, but nobody seems terribly bothered by Great Value at Walmart, or the the notorious contract negotiations with Walmart that put suppliers at a huge disadvantage, because if you want to be a national brand you need to be in Walmart. But it's much better to talk about fantasy monopolies because they make nice sound bites.

matchbok 8y ago

That's not how antitrust works. At all.

throwawaymath 8y ago
How does antitrust work?
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stilist 8y ago

Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally lose millions or billions a year in order to dominate a market segment?

sigstoat 8y ago
if you rephrase that as "Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally give consumers millions or billions of value a year in order to dominate a market segment?" it seems sort of generous? they're taking all this money from venture capitalists funding startups running on AWS, and pumping it into their retail operation so that the working class can have cheaper goods. and everyone involved in the process consents to it, even!

logicchains 8y ago

>Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to. When threads like this come up I always wonder how the engineers who worked on Bing must feel. I'd feel pretty disheartened if people had such a low opinion of my product that my competitor was considered a monopoly.

tzumby 8y ago
I read an article a while back about the team behind Bing. I think they had some of the best people working there and they must feel pretty proud. I think after the project picket up and they started managing them from top up most of them left. I tried looking for the article but can’t find it anymore
fluffycat 8y ago
I think Bing engineers laugh uncontrollably when people at HN claims DuckDuckGo is a search engine.
- ajhurliman 8y ago
  Seems like they're doing fine https://duckduckgo.com/traffic https://duckduckgo.com/traffic
  - lawrenceyan 8y ago
    No, the reason OP made that comment is because duckduckgo uses Bing by default to power its search. So duckduckgo is literally just Bing with a duck taped over it basically.
    - fluffycat 8y ago
      Exactly.
    - ajhurliman 8y ago
      Oh, I didn't know, thanks for that

wongarsu 8y ago

> Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to I don't have a problem with the dominance of their search engine. I have problems with them using their search engine and other platforms to prompt you to use Chrome, or how they use their quasi-monopoly on Android app marketplaces to force manufacturers to preload just about every Google App in existance on Android phones. Then there's various Google services (some of them near monopolies) performing much worse on anything but Chrome. If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another.

jhall1468 8y ago
> If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another. So does every department and grocery store in the US, and they have for decades, but nobody seems terribly bothered by Great Value at Walmart, or the the notorious contract negotiations with Walmart that put suppliers at a huge disadvantage, because if you want to be a national brand you need to be in Walmart. But it's much better to talk about fantasy monopolies because they make nice sound bites.