> salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). That's my impression as well, of the

> salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). That's my impression as well, of the job market in Berlin as dev contributor in many industries. There exists just rock solid ceiling at 70k EUR and that's it. No idea about stricte managerial roles but these are oftentimes reserved to native Germans and the competition is beyond fierce so forget about it (unless you are Abmahnung, Betriebsrat, and Arbeitsrecht virtuoso).