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From personal friends, I know you can get paid >120k EUR if you have 5-10+ years of experience.

ido 8y ago
I would be interested to know what these friends do. From my personal experience in game-dev in Berlin, the highest earning coding individual-contributor (so not a manager) salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). You will literally have to be C-level at a large and succesful company to earn €120k+ as far as I can tell (in this sector).
- dietr1ch 8y ago
  Haven't the game industry always relied on offering a "dream job" to underpay?
  - ido 8y ago
    Sure, I expected web devs to earn maybe €80-90k but not €120k+
- expertentipp 8y ago
  > salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). That's my impression as well, of the job market in Berlin as dev contributor in many industries. There exists just rock solid ceiling at 70k EUR and that's it. No idea about stricte managerial roles but these are oftentimes reserved to native Germans and the competition is beyond fierce so forget about it (unless you are Abmahnung, Betriebsrat, and Arbeitsrecht virtuoso).
  - ido 8y ago
    I’ve not experienced managerial roles being reserved for native Germans in the Berlin tech industry at least - had plenty of non-German managers.
- CalRobert 8y ago
  Game development is famously underpaid. After all, you're competing with wide-eyed 23 year olds with no bills or family who have dreamed of making games their whole life. I was apparently pretty well paid at my last job (Game Dev) at 68k EUR a year. Also, note that a lot of Europeans quote salary after tax, which can make a big difference.
  - ido 8y ago
    you're competing with wide-eyed 23 year olds Not for senior/lead roles (I've done hiring in several companies). There are lots of people competing for junior roles but its still not that easy to recruit true seniors (10+ years work experience).
0x5002 8y ago
I cannot confirm this at all. I have some friends who work in Germany (I left several years ago to the US), and even those in senior tech jobs with years of experience only get up to ~80k EUR and the sky-high taxes push that down to <50k.
- atq2119 8y ago
  I'm working in Munich in a reasonably senior role (but <10 years, of which <3 years at that company), total compensation is ~120k Euros before taxes. It's not super common, but it's definitely possible.
  - xacaxulu 8y ago
    Literally the exact same offer I accepted for me, but in Berlin. I prefer Bavaria but all my biz is in Berlin. +1
fileeditview 8y ago
In my experience this salary is only available for team leads and only in some companies. Certainly not for 5 years of experience. However sometimes there seem to be like parallel realities when it comes to salary.

ido 8y ago

I would be interested to know what these friends do. From my personal experience in game-dev in Berlin, the highest earning coding individual-contributor (so not a manager) salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). You will literally have to be C-level at a large and succesful company to earn €120k+ as far as I can tell (in this sector).

dietr1ch 8y ago
Haven't the game industry always relied on offering a "dream job" to underpay?
- ido 8y ago
  Sure, I expected web devs to earn maybe €80-90k but not €120k+
expertentipp 8y ago
> salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). That's my impression as well, of the job market in Berlin as dev contributor in many industries. There exists just rock solid ceiling at 70k EUR and that's it. No idea about stricte managerial roles but these are oftentimes reserved to native Germans and the competition is beyond fierce so forget about it (unless you are Abmahnung, Betriebsrat, and Arbeitsrecht virtuoso).
- ido 8y ago
  I’ve not experienced managerial roles being reserved for native Germans in the Berlin tech industry at least - had plenty of non-German managers.
CalRobert 8y ago
Game development is famously underpaid. After all, you're competing with wide-eyed 23 year olds with no bills or family who have dreamed of making games their whole life. I was apparently pretty well paid at my last job (Game Dev) at 68k EUR a year. Also, note that a lot of Europeans quote salary after tax, which can make a big difference.
- ido 8y ago
  you're competing with wide-eyed 23 year olds Not for senior/lead roles (I've done hiring in several companies). There are lots of people competing for junior roles but its still not that easy to recruit true seniors (10+ years work experience).

0x5002 8y ago

I cannot confirm this at all. I have some friends who work in Germany (I left several years ago to the US), and even those in senior tech jobs with years of experience only get up to ~80k EUR and the sky-high taxes push that down to <50k.

atq2119 8y ago
I'm working in Munich in a reasonably senior role (but <10 years, of which <3 years at that company), total compensation is ~120k Euros before taxes. It's not super common, but it's definitely possible.
- xacaxulu 8y ago
  Literally the exact same offer I accepted for me, but in Berlin. I prefer Bavaria but all my biz is in Berlin. +1

fileeditview 8y ago

In my experience this salary is only available for team leads and only in some companies. Certainly not for 5 years of experience. However sometimes there seem to be like parallel realities when it comes to salary.